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#245010 - 04/25/06 08:14 PM New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.) *DYNO added*
IMPORTant Si Offline
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The new turbo build is nearing completion. Motor is built, all the misc. parts are installed on the car. Just waiting for the pipes to be made and the tune. It's been almost 2 years since I've driven my car, notice the wasp nest under the radiator support. So I am dying to get back in it. Check out my setup and let me know your thoughts on it. I'm hoping for a strong 500-550whp out of this setup. I'm probably shooting low, but I don't wanna push it. Dyno plots will be posted soon. Jack @ p1auto is doing the work for me.

*BLOCK*
Dart B18C 84.5mm STD. Deck
CP Pistons 9.0:1
Full Race Manley Rods
LS Crank
OEM Water Pump, Oil Pump, Bearings, Washers
ARP Headstuds
Greddy Oil Catch Can
Golden Eagle Vacuum Manifold
Moroso Oil Pan

*HEAD*
B16 Head
Portflow Stg3 PNP
Ferrea Valves
Bronze Valve Guides
Golden Eagle 84.5mm HG
ITR/GSR Cams
STR Cam Gears
AIR Carbon Fiber Intake Manifold

*TRANNY*
Comp Clutch Twin Plate
Comp Flywheel
Quaife LSD

*TURBO SETUP*
GT35R .83 / .70 A/R
Full Race Mani
Full Race 3'' DP
Tial 38mm WG
Greddy type-s bov
2 1/2" Charge pipes
PreciSion 750HP I/C

*FUEL AND MANAGEMENT*
Walbro 255 lph HP
STR Fuel Rail w/ guage
AEM Fuel Filter
AEM FPR
RC 1000cc Injectors with reSistor box
AEM EMS
S/S fuel lines

*GUAGES, COOLING, MISC*
Fluidyne half width Radiator
FAL Fan
AEM UEGO
Apexi Guages
Full Race Traction Bars
Hasport motor mounts

A few pics.....
The car (still carrying the old setup)


And the new pics








Edited by IMPORTant Si (07/16/06 10:51 AM)
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1999 Si
14.7 w/ I/H/E
13.8 w/ I/H/E and Venom 60 shot
GReddy Turbo (Retired): 230 whp at 9 psi
14.5 psi tune finished
Precision SC61 Installed!!!!

*UPDATE* 500+ whp tuned setup completed and KICKIN!



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#245011 - 04/25/06 08:29 PM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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pinch 3 inch charge piping if you can.

whats the hotside AR on the turbo? you have the cold side listed, but the .70's standard...the hot side ar is what makes the difference.

looks like with a bigger turbo, injectors, and fuel pump the rest of the set up could support an assload of power!
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#245012 - 04/25/06 08:43 PM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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lovin the block. what's goin on with your intake mani? lookin good. some big bucks.
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#245013 - 04/25/06 08:44 PM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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oh yeah, thumbs up on the high quality pics.
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#245014 - 04/25/06 09:04 PM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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I'm sorry, I forgot the compressor A/R. It's a 0.82 A/R. I think it'll perform what I'm looking for.

The Intake Mani is a full Carbon Fiber Construction with machined aluminum flanges. Advanced Induction Research (A.I.R.) made this. Very well crafted piece, very very light. I haven't seen any Dynos using this manifold and this turbo, so I'm curious as to see what it will produce. More info on this mani can be found here : http://www.advancedinductionresearch.com/fd1201-20.htm
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1999 Si
14.7 w/ I/H/E
13.8 w/ I/H/E and Venom 60 shot
GReddy Turbo (Retired): 230 whp at 9 psi
14.5 psi tune finished
Precision SC61 Installed!!!!

*UPDATE* 500+ whp tuned setup completed and KICKIN!



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#245015 - 04/25/06 09:12 PM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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you must've found that tree that grows money. i thought it just a myth. 1225 for the intake mani. wow. i definitely would like to see dyno comps say vs a very popular victor x or something of that sort.
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#245016 - 04/25/06 09:21 PM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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Haha. No money tree around here. It's just one of the joys of having to be without a car for two years to save that kind of money. When the car is dyno'd, the plots will be posted for comparison. Hopefully I can find a build that is extremely similiar to mine for close comparison. Their plot on the site is very similiar, but would like to find one with a GT35R with the same specs.
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1999 Si
14.7 w/ I/H/E
13.8 w/ I/H/E and Venom 60 shot
GReddy Turbo (Retired): 230 whp at 9 psi
14.5 psi tune finished
Precision SC61 Installed!!!!

*UPDATE* 500+ whp tuned setup completed and KICKIN!



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#245017 - 04/25/06 09:32 PM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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just a guess. from the pic, it looks like the IM is designed for high velocity? the runners narrows toward the flange and it actually tucks inside it. vs the victor x which have large runners that stay close to the same diameter for more volume. still...i don't know if can save 2250 for just an IM. post dyno plots asap!
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#245018 - 04/25/06 09:54 PM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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I don't know how to say this nicely, so I'll just spit it out..

You spent close to what.....~10k for....
Quote:

I'm hoping for a strong 500-550whp out of this setup.




You can do that with a stock motor...lol....

548whp b16a2 or @ the very least, just pistons/rods would hit that no problem w/the correct turbo & supporting mods.

Another case of more $$ than brains...

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#245019 - 04/25/06 10:01 PM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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Quote:

I don't know how to say this nicely, so I'll just spit it out..

You spent close to what.....~10k for....
Quote:

I'm hoping for a strong 500-550whp out of this setup.




You can do that with a stock motor...lol....

548whp b16a2 or @ the very least, just pistons/rods would hit that no problem w/the correct turbo & supporting mods.

Another case of more $$ than brains...






balla status. end of story. lol.
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#245020 - 04/25/06 10:13 PM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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Yes, I could've made the same power with less money. = True
His setup as reliable or has close to the same HP potential. = Most unlikely

I do have alot of money tied up into this project. But once again, this was not an overnight build. 500-550 whp is a low goal I know. Being that this is my 3rd turbo setup for this car, I want it to be my last. 1st was the Greddy 18G KIT. Then, it was a custom SC61 setup. And now this. Everytime I wanted more, and more power. And couldn't get within that range safely because of my limited motor. Now I do understand that every motor has limits, but I think this build will finally satisfy me. It took a while to save for everything I have... so I don't think the "more money than brains" quote really applies...
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1999 Si
14.7 w/ I/H/E
13.8 w/ I/H/E and Venom 60 shot
GReddy Turbo (Retired): 230 whp at 9 psi
14.5 psi tune finished
Precision SC61 Installed!!!!

*UPDATE* 500+ whp tuned setup completed and KICKIN!



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#245021 - 04/25/06 10:14 PM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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what did you pay for the dart block?
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#245022 - 04/25/06 10:31 PM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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I wanna say $1750. I got it on a special they were running about a year ago.
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1999 Si
14.7 w/ I/H/E
13.8 w/ I/H/E and Venom 60 shot
GReddy Turbo (Retired): 230 whp at 9 psi
14.5 psi tune finished
Precision SC61 Installed!!!!

*UPDATE* 500+ whp tuned setup completed and KICKIN!



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#245023 - 04/25/06 10:36 PM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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what does that include?
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#245024 - 04/25/06 10:42 PM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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that included block, caps and misc items such as freeze plugs, dipstick and tube, etc..
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1999 Si
14.7 w/ I/H/E
13.8 w/ I/H/E and Venom 60 shot
GReddy Turbo (Retired): 230 whp at 9 psi
14.5 psi tune finished
Precision SC61 Installed!!!!

*UPDATE* 500+ whp tuned setup completed and KICKIN!



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#245025 - 04/25/06 10:49 PM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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so pretty much a bare block. looks good though. i just got darton sleeves and bored to 84.5mm in a b18c1 block.
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#245026 - 04/25/06 11:14 PM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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Quote:

so I don't think the "more money than brains" quote really applies...





Fair enough, that was a little harsh. I wasn't trying to be prickish, however it may have came across that way.

I just work really hard for what I have, and maybe sometimes get a little peeved when I see someone is able to just "throw money" around....and not really understand what they have.

For that I apologize.

Best of luck w/the setup.

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#245027 - 04/25/06 11:19 PM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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take the manifold and t3 off and get a t4 manifold and a gt42 and turn the wick up to 40psi and get your moneys worth outta that dart block....JEEZ 500hp dart i woulda kept the stock block


KIDS!!!!!!!!!






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#245028 - 04/25/06 11:25 PM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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Loc: Sarasota, Florida
All that coin and still using the stock underdrive pully? were is the fluidamper ......NASTY AZZ HELL. with the mods you have in and out on that setup, 600WHP should not be a problem, other than that, around the area that snail tends to run out of breath,(600-675), Later getting a bigger turbo will let you see those 700's that motor was built for...

Still nice work. I too know what it is like to wait. The build I am on now took me over 3yrs of waiting/building, and......$$$$$$$ you know
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#245029 - 04/25/06 11:27 PM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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low power goals are smart, i like how the OP understands that once people learn how to drive with their goal power and get used to it they always want more, he seems to understand that in order to reach a goal you should build for alteast twice that goal. that way when you do finally reach a power level that you're comfortable with you are still safe.

this assumes the car is tuned competently, though it looks like he has a pretty good idea of how to build a boosted honda.

setup looks pretty sick. i like it.
*green with envy*
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#245030 - 04/25/06 11:31 PM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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^^^^ Couldn't of siad it better myself...............
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#245031 - 04/26/06 12:43 AM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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I love my civic but it is a practical learning platform and a stepping stone to more 'focused' spending.
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#245032 - 04/26/06 02:00 AM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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get some new tires
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#245033 - 04/26/06 06:29 AM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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sure he spent a buttload of cash. he knows that. i think he wanted to do it that way and no one here can judge him for doing something like that. just give that little rich ass boy some damn props.
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#245034 - 04/26/06 07:36 AM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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Quote:

low power goals are smart, i like how the OP understands that once people learn how to drive with their goal power and get used to it they always want more, he seems to understand that in order to reach a goal you should build for alteast twice that goal. that way when you do finally reach a power level that you're comfortable with you are still safe.

this assumes the car is tuned competently, though it looks like he has a pretty good idea of how to build a boosted honda.

setup looks pretty sick. i like it.
*green with envy*





very well put!



just a FYI Andrea at evans tuning has your same exhaust manifold, intake manifold, and turbocharger. if you go on their forums you can dig up her dynochart. 65Xwhp

i made 616 on my 35r with a smaller AR and a stock head. you should have ZERO problems making your power goals with tons of room to grow.

i cant beleive i didnt notice it before...but get yourself an ati or a fluiddamper....protect your investment!
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#245035 - 04/26/06 08:06 AM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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SWEET! Props on your new build.
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#245036 - 04/26/06 08:59 AM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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Thanks for the comments. A fluiddamper is still in my thoughts. I've actually seen bad wear problems on crank journals because of a damper. And I can't recall ever reading about, or seeing a motor lose itself due to not having one of these. But I think I might go ahead and invest in one. Still unsure though. Oh, and thanks for the FYI. I'm going to check it out right now.
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1999 Si
14.7 w/ I/H/E
13.8 w/ I/H/E and Venom 60 shot
GReddy Turbo (Retired): 230 whp at 9 psi
14.5 psi tune finished
Precision SC61 Installed!!!!

*UPDATE* 500+ whp tuned setup completed and KICKIN!



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#245037 - 04/26/06 09:17 AM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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there is no negatives to running a damper.....if you saw weird crank wear it was from something else.


the BIGGEST thing with running a damper is that it helps a ton with oil pump breakage problems...which no matter which way you look at it, it IS a problem with high horsepower, high rpm honda's.
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#245038 - 04/26/06 03:38 PM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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F THAT turn the wick up!!!
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#245039 - 07/16/06 11:03 AM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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Well.., Low boost tuning has been completed. At 15 lbs. (Wastegate spring) It made 392.9 whp / 266.3 ft. lbs. on a Mustang Dyno. When calculated with the avg. loss through a Mustang Dyno (10%), It's producing about 432.2 whp / 292.9 ft. lbs. on a Dyno Jet. Not bad for the low boost and 93 octane. Monday is the high boost tune, and will push about 28 - 30 psi. Still hoping for the 550 whp range. I think it'll be reached.

Here's the plot:


Thanks to Jack @ P1auto.

-James
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1999 Si
14.7 w/ I/H/E
13.8 w/ I/H/E and Venom 60 shot
GReddy Turbo (Retired): 230 whp at 9 psi
14.5 psi tune finished
Precision SC61 Installed!!!!

*UPDATE* 500+ whp tuned setup completed and KICKIN!



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#245040 - 07/16/06 12:36 PM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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awesome, can't wait to see the high boost numbers.

did you end up going w/ the fluidamper?

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#245041 - 07/17/06 08:28 AM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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Quote:

awesome, can't wait to see the high boost numbers.

did you end up going w/ the fluidamper?




Looks good.
Keep us posted.
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#245042 - 07/17/06 10:46 AM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.)
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thats sweet man..keep up the good work.
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#245043 - 07/17/06 12:50 PM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.) *DYNO added*
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I too am suprized you didnt get a fluidamper! If your interested in one that accomodates AC and PS I have one I would like to part with. I think im just going to ditch the PS and AC now and wanna get the race pulley.

I am digging the teardrop wastgate outlet Geoff had said he was going to start making them all like that soon enough. Mine is the same way. Oh yea, that doesnt look like a 38mm flange to me homes

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#245044 - 07/17/06 02:20 PM Re: New Build (AIR, FullRace, DART, etc.) *DYNO added*
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Haha, sorry about the 38mm. Some things on the setup has changed a bit. It's a 44mm Tial I'm running. I did not however get a damper put on it yet. The fluidampr will be installed when it's back home in my garage. High boost numbers should be posted today.

-James
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1999 Si
14.7 w/ I/H/E
13.8 w/ I/H/E and Venom 60 shot
GReddy Turbo (Retired): 230 whp at 9 psi
14.5 psi tune finished
Precision SC61 Installed!!!!

*UPDATE* 500+ whp tuned setup completed and KICKIN!



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