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#2425587 - 03/11/08 04:02 PM Why buying a Standalone & Tuning are oh so important!
B00stedsi B00stedsi Newbie Registered: 10/24/07 Posts: 59 Loc: SRQ	what timing are you guys using. I was 2 degrees retarded, and my 2 and 3 pistons cracked the 1st ringlands.Not from detonation.A/F was 11.2.Im running wisecos.thanks Edited by SiAdam (03/12/08 07:36 PM) _________________________ wisco pistons9:1/eagle I rods/stock crank/.57 trim/skunk 2 cams springs and retainers/ferraa valves/exedy clutch/750cc/hondata s300
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#2425631 - 03/11/08 04:20 PM Re: timing [Re: B00stedsi]
SiAdam SiAdam Post Master Supreme Registered: 07/22/01 Posts: 19262 Loc: West By God Virginia	Originally Posted By: B00stedsi what timing are you guys using. I was 2 degrees retarded, and my 2 and 3 pistons cracked the 1st ringlands.Not from detonation.A/F was 11.2.Im running wisecos.thanks lol..you think they just decided to crack for the heck of it? Detonation my friend. _________________________ 05 Berlina Black S2000 700whp / 500wtq Built, not bought.
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#2425784 - 03/11/08 05:21 PM Re: timing [Re: B00stedsi]
SamuraiSam SamuraiSam Post Master Sr Registered: 07/29/02 Posts: 8828 Loc: Bellingham, WA	2 degrees retarded of what? Post up your timing map from whatever standalone you are using. Ignition timing generally decreases with load and increases with piston speed / engine RPM due to the time it takes for the flame front to propagate. The correct timing at each load point and engine speed for your particular engine setup can only be determined by either extensive track and street datalogging with knock detection and EGT probes or with a simple 2-3 hour load-brake dynometer session. _________________________ Working and living the dream in post-prohibition Washington State
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#2426814 - 03/11/08 10:47 PM Re: timing [Re: SamuraiSam]
B00stedsi B00stedsi Newbie Registered: 10/24/07 Posts: 59 Loc: SRQ	Pistons 1 and 4 are perfect. and piston 3 closed the gap on my spark plug.So larger injectors it is.I see 1000cc are popular for my application.So which one. RC, Precisions, or a better option? _________________________ wisco pistons9:1/eagle I rods/stock crank/.57 trim/skunk 2 cams springs and retainers/ferraa valves/exedy clutch/750cc/hondata s300
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#2426837 - 03/11/08 10:55 PM Re: timing [Re: B00stedsi]
SamuraiSam SamuraiSam Post Master Sr Registered: 07/29/02 Posts: 8828 Loc: Bellingham, WA	What kind of injectors are you running now and why do you think that you need to get different ones? What kind of problems are you running into? What is the maximum duty cycle that you hit? What kind of fuel pressure are you running? Why aren't you answering our questions (whose information would help us help you)? What do you mean by "piston 3 closed the gap on my spark plug"? _________________________ Working and living the dream in post-prohibition Washington State
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#2426839 - 03/11/08 10:56 PM Re: timing [Re: B00stedsi]
B00stedsi B00stedsi Newbie Registered: 10/24/07 Posts: 59 Loc: SRQ	Also my greddy profec 2 isnt controlling boost.Its set to a half bar.Its a Tial. Do i hook the vac source to the top or the back,or both? Thanks. _________________________ wisco pistons9:1/eagle I rods/stock crank/.57 trim/skunk 2 cams springs and retainers/ferraa valves/exedy clutch/750cc/hondata s300
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#2426886 - 03/11/08 11:07 PM Re: timing [Re: B00stedsi]
B00stedsi B00stedsi Newbie Registered: 10/24/07 Posts: 59 Loc: SRQ	It was firing on 3 cylinders.When I pulled the plugs to check it was closed not damaged.I dont no the duty cycles.I didnt hook it up to a computer.There stock injectors.I have an inline 255 and a regulator.the psi set from drag.I believe 50 psi. _________________________ wisco pistons9:1/eagle I rods/stock crank/.57 trim/skunk 2 cams springs and retainers/ferraa valves/exedy clutch/750cc/hondata s300
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#2426933 - 03/11/08 11:21 PM Re: timing [Re: B00stedsi]
B00stedsi B00stedsi Newbie Registered: 10/24/07 Posts: 59 Loc: SRQ	I wont have the map till tomarrow.I use the apexi neo.Im starting to think its garbage. _________________________ wisco pistons9:1/eagle I rods/stock crank/.57 trim/skunk 2 cams springs and retainers/ferraa valves/exedy clutch/750cc/hondata s300
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#2427011 - 03/11/08 11:46 PM Re: timing [Re: B00stedsi]
SamuraiSam SamuraiSam Post Master Sr Registered: 07/29/02 Posts: 8828 Loc: Bellingham, WA	........... Wow. We have an FAQ. Read it. Have you ever heard of a standalone? Read these 2 sentences over ten thousand times. "Take off your Apexi AFC and throw it in the garbage. Take off your rising rate FPR and throw it in the garbage." Get a standalone and your motor won't blow up. You don't have a timing map. "The only thing the AFC can fine tune is how much more detonation you want." - SteveShadows _________________________ Working and living the dream in post-prohibition Washington State
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#2427083 - 03/12/08 12:09 AM Re: timing [Re: SamuraiSam]
Mr. Knowitall. Mr. Knowitall. banned Post Master Sr Registered: 06/25/07 Posts: 3410	at this thread. _________________________ This website doesn't do me justice.
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#2427102 - 03/12/08 12:15 AM Re: timing [Re: SamuraiSam]
B00stedsi B00stedsi Newbie Registered: 10/24/07 Posts: 59 Loc: SRQ	So what should i exactly get to control my fuel system? _________________________ wisco pistons9:1/eagle I rods/stock crank/.57 trim/skunk 2 cams springs and retainers/ferraa valves/exedy clutch/750cc/hondata s300
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#2427117 - 03/12/08 12:19 AM Re: timing [Re: B00stedsi]
SamuraiSam SamuraiSam Post Master Sr Registered: 07/29/02 Posts: 8828 Loc: Bellingham, WA	READ THE FUCKING FAQ _________________________ Working and living the dream in post-prohibition Washington State
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#2427131 - 03/12/08 12:23 AM Re: timing [Re: SamuraiSam]
SamuraiSam SamuraiSam Post Master Sr Registered: 07/29/02 Posts: 8828 Loc: Bellingham, WA	http://forums.clubsi.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=107973 _________________________ Working and living the dream in post-prohibition Washington State
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#2427982 - 03/12/08 09:19 AM Re: timing [Re: SamuraiSam]
B00stedsi B00stedsi Newbie Registered: 10/24/07 Posts: 59 Loc: SRQ	Ahh thanks.I didnt know.Thanks for not complanting too much. _________________________ wisco pistons9:1/eagle I rods/stock crank/.57 trim/skunk 2 cams springs and retainers/ferraa valves/exedy clutch/750cc/hondata s300
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#2430394 - 03/12/08 07:35 PM Re: timing [Re: B00stedsi]
SiAdam SiAdam Post Master Supreme Registered: 07/22/01 Posts: 19262 Loc: West By God Virginia	Originally Posted By: B00stedsi Ahh thanks.I didnt know.Thanks for not complanting too much. We are happy to help, as long as you help yourself. Good luck w/the rebuild. Let us know how it goes. _________________________ 05 Berlina Black S2000 700whp / 500wtq Built, not bought.
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#2434297 - 03/13/08 06:00 PM Re: Why buying a Standalone & Tuning are oh so important! [Re: B00stedsi]
AllMyTSi AllMyTSi Jr Member Registered: 12/22/99 Posts: 616 Loc: New York	_________________________ R.I.P -Rosemarie Montalbano- Passed Nov. 1999 You are always in my thoughts R.I.P -Margarita Martinez- Passed April. 2000 You will always have this special place in my heart, I Miss You... R.I.P -Brian DeBoer- Passed April. 2000 In our thoughts... R.I.P -Grandma- Passed May 2000 I love you !
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#2435203 - 03/13/08 10:45 PM Re: Why buying a Standalone & Tuning are oh so important! [Re: AllMyTSi]
B00stedsi B00stedsi Newbie Registered: 10/24/07 Posts: 59 Loc: SRQ	I think i maxed the injectors out.Whats the max boost for stock injectors? _________________________ wisco pistons9:1/eagle I rods/stock crank/.57 trim/skunk 2 cams springs and retainers/ferraa valves/exedy clutch/750cc/hondata s300
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#2435276 - 03/13/08 11:10 PM Re: Why buying a Standalone & Tuning are oh so important! [Re: B00stedsi]
SiAdam SiAdam Post Master Supreme Registered: 07/22/01 Posts: 19262 Loc: West By God Virginia	Originally Posted By: B00stedsi I think i maxed the injectors out.Whats the max boost for stock injectors? Boost is irrelavant. Please read the faq. _________________________ 05 Berlina Black S2000 700whp / 500wtq Built, not bought.
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#2435466 - 03/14/08 12:08 AM Re: Why buying a Standalone & Tuning are oh so important! [Re: B00stedsi]
SamuraiSam SamuraiSam Post Master Sr Registered: 07/29/02 Posts: 8828 Loc: Bellingham, WA	Originally Posted By: B00stedsi I think i maxed the injectors out.Whats the max boost for stock injectors? I'm pretty sure that every question you have EVER asked in Got Boost is answered in the FAQ. I'm not trying to be an asshole, but you need to educate yourself. If you can't educate yourself, then your only other option is to go to a shop and hand them your wallet. Its very very obvious that you haven't done this because you had a built motor and stock injectors and no standalone. You need to either do some serious research YOURSELF and learn a LOT MORE about how EFI works and how to properly turbocharge a car, or you are going to throw thousands of dollars MORE away than you already have. For example, rough estimates for injector HP levels @ base fuel pressure are given in the FAQ. It's VERY EASY INFORMATION to find. _________________________ Working and living the dream in post-prohibition Washington State
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#2435490 - 03/14/08 12:14 AM Re: Why buying a Standalone & Tuning are oh so important! [Re: SamuraiSam]
SamuraiSam SamuraiSam Post Master Sr Registered: 07/29/02 Posts: 8828 Loc: Bellingham, WA	OK, i just did a quick search for posts by username. I have actually ALREADY TOLD YOU EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEEDED TO GET in THIS POST: http://forums.clubsi.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Main/112353/Number/2157175 and before that in THIS POST: http://forums.clubsi.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Main/105589/Number/1979450 either you are worthless troll, or you are beyond the help of what internet forums can do. I propose a BAN. _________________________ Working and living the dream in post-prohibition Washington State
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#2547648 - 04/16/08 02:25 PM Re: Why buying a Standalone & Tuning are oh so important! [Re: SamuraiSam]
Toast Toast Newbie Registered: 12/07/07 Posts: 14	Sounds like you got into boost before you knew anything about it. Research is key to reliable power. BTW leaning out your A/F is what causes detonation. _________________________
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#2547816 - 04/16/08 03:11 PM Re: Why buying a Standalone & Tuning are oh so important! [Re: Toast]
SamuraiSam SamuraiSam Post Master Sr Registered: 07/29/02 Posts: 8828 Loc: Bellingham, WA	Originally Posted By: Toast Sounds like you got into boost before you knew anything about it. Research is key to reliable power. BTW leaning out your A/F is what causes detonation. Too lean of an air/fuel mixture will cause lean misfires at low load and high combustion chambers at medium and high load. It can cause knocking, but detonation (uncontrolled combustion, colliding flame fronts leading to super-high peak cylinder pressures) is usually caused by too much ignition timing advance. _________________________ Working and living the dream in post-prohibition Washington State
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#2554319 - 04/18/08 08:49 AM Re: Why buying a Standalone & Tuning are oh so important! [Re: SamuraiSam]
Toast Toast Newbie Registered: 12/07/07 Posts: 14	Originally Posted By: SamuraiSam Too lean of an air/fuel mixture will cause lean misfires at low load and high combustion chambers at medium and high load. It can cause knocking, but detonation (uncontrolled combustion, colliding flame fronts leading to super-high peak cylinder pressures) is usually caused by too much ignition timing advance. Interesting to learn something new every day. I always thought that detonation was caused by the leaned out mixture detonating early because the mixture couldn't resist combustion because it was to lean. Thus leading to colliding flame fronts. Makes sense though that ignition timing would cause it seeing that the piston would be in the wrong spot during ignition. I'll have to re-read my Honda Books. Sorry if I gave out incorrect information. Edited by Toast (04/18/08 08:50 AM) _________________________
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#2555235 - 04/18/08 12:50 PM Re: Why buying a Standalone & Tuning are oh so important! [Re: Toast]
SiAdam SiAdam Post Master Supreme Registered: 07/22/01 Posts: 19262 Loc: West By God Virginia	Toast, look into buying Corky Bell's Maxium Boost. Great book that explains alot of the theories behind turbocharging. Purchase it on amazon, eBay or your local book store. _________________________ 05 Berlina Black S2000 700whp / 500wtq Built, not bought.
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#2555406 - 04/18/08 01:29 PM Re: Why buying a Standalone & Tuning are oh so important! [Re: Toast]
SamuraiSam SamuraiSam Post Master Sr Registered: 07/29/02 Posts: 8828 Loc: Bellingham, WA	No worries. You are not totally incorrect in any case. No need to apologize. Check out the engine management systems book by Jeff Hartman. _________________________ Working and living the dream in post-prohibition Washington State
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#2585770 - 04/27/08 10:59 PM Re: Why buying a Standalone & Tuning are oh so important! [Re: SamuraiSam]
forced00si forced00si Got Boost'r Jr Member Registered: 02/18/03 Posts: 492 Loc: the south	here is a pic of what it looks like when it all goes wrong. _________________________ almost done...Woot!!
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