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#2426760 - 03/11/08 10:34 PM Re: Discuss: ECOTEC [Re: Euphoricuck]
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 Originally Posted By: HoustonRSX
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I am just wondering how long it will take Nissan/Honda to realize they need a turbo powered car to compete.



but do they really? People will still buy the cars....and the new engines respond quite well to bolt ons and a reflash.


Stock for stock and mod for mod a factory F/I car will always perform better.


stock for stock? not so much, totally depends. only in recent years have the FI cars really had a big advantage over the n/a counterparts stock for stock...

mod for mod turbo cars have always had an advantage , which is definately understandable but in recent years (k series) that advantage is more even or even behind lol gti for those first bunch of bolt ons.



K series while a great N/A motor will not be able to compete with the new F/I'd factory compact cars. You will need cams/hondata(reflash or kpro), full exhaust, intake, vavle springs, and other things to compete with a F/I'd car with very basic upgrades.

Even with just ecu/boltons you have just reached what those turbo cars do stock.


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#2426778 - 03/11/08 10:38 PM Re: Discuss: ECOTEC [Re: Z24 lol]
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When they were all NA you had the GSR, the 2.5RS, celica GT-S, GTi VR6, etc. Yeah they were all NA and relatively slow but there were revvy ones and torquey ones, etc. I just appreciate having a few different options. Same reason I wouldn't want all the cars in the segment to be coupes or hatchbacks or whatever, even though I'm big on hatchbacks lately.
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#2426788 - 03/11/08 10:41 PM Re: Discuss: ECOTEC [Re: NOT spotch...]
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 Originally Posted By: spotch
When they were all NA you had the GSR, the 2.5RS, celica GT-S, GTi VR6, etc. Yeah they were all NA and relatively slow but there were revvy ones and torquey ones, etc. I just appreciate having a few different options. Same reason I wouldn't want all the cars in the segment to be coupes or hatchbacks or whatever, even though I'm big on hatchbacks lately.


I am sure there still will be high-revving turbo cars, and turbo cars that only rev to 6500.

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#2426796 - 03/11/08 10:43 PM Re: Discuss: ECOTEC [Re: NOT spotch...]
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personally i could never get past the gimmiky name "ecotec". call that stupid, but in most cases a gimmick is used to try and overshadow some shortcoming (not to call the engine a turd, just saying).
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#2426798 - 03/11/08 10:44 PM Re: Discuss: ECOTEC [Re: Z24 lol]
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iirc a chipped gti is still quite a bit slower than a reflashed/ intake k series.
Im not quite sure what mbc or simple bolt on srt's are trapping.(100-102ish?) Cobalt SS(turbo one who knows since its not out but even the scharged one doesnt get much from simple upgrades )

bolt on reflash k series have seen low 100 traps.. I think the srt turbo is probably good till what? 106 mph before you need to change it out(Im not really sure on this one).

and even being a tad behind still.... the gap is much smaller, so why would honda NEED to have a turbo car? People will still buy it and if they want to give it some bolt ons they know the car will be pretty close to the other ones(or quicker, depending)
The kotinyvw turbo needs to go well before that.

Point is, its not as big of a gap as it used to be. and the k series sees turbo like speed upgrade from simple mods especially compared to the older b series.


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#2426805 - 03/11/08 10:45 PM Re: Discuss: ECOTEC [Re: Euphoricuck]
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You are taking the best kseries reflash/bolt on times. The SRT turbo is good till 108ishmph, and than its only a turbo upgrade to get more. Whereas a kseries motor will need a F/I setup or major major N/A work to get to that.
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#2426807 - 03/11/08 10:46 PM Re: Discuss: ECOTEC [Re: Z24 lol]
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so a turbo upgrade isnt major? but some cams are?
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#2426818 - 03/11/08 10:48 PM Re: Discuss: ECOTEC [Re: Euphoricuck]
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 Originally Posted By: Euphoric
so a turbo upgrade isnt major? but some cams are?


Not on a turbo car, its equvilant to cams on a N/A car. No cams for the Kseries are going to give you a 8mph gain.

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#2426822 - 03/11/08 10:49 PM Re: Discuss: ECOTEC [Re: Z24 lol]
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 Originally Posted By: spotch
When they were all NA you had the GSR, the 2.5RS, celica GT-S, GTi VR6, etc. Yeah they were all NA and relatively slow but there were revvy ones and torquey ones, etc. I just appreciate having a few different options. Same reason I wouldn't want all the cars in the segment to be coupes or hatchbacks or whatever, even though I'm big on hatchbacks lately.


I am sure there still will be high-revving turbo cars, and turbo cars that only rev to 6500.



Really? Because I don't see any lol. What car company is going to build a high revving turbo car, anyway? What's the point? The whole point of revving high is to make up for low displacement, and wouldn't it be harder/more expensive to design a turbo that works well at 7500+ that doesn't lag? I mean yeah it's possible but we're talking about the bargain basement cars here, that's not going to be all that cheap to throw together I would think. Even the turbo cars that are on the market now run out of steam at higher rpms... The wrx/gti/ms3/etc all seem to have great midrange and meh up top.

It's america for a reason, give us the freedom to choose! lol

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#2426825 - 03/11/08 10:50 PM Re: Discuss: ECOTEC [Re: NOT spotch...]
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STI in japans rev to 8k, Evo's here still rev to 7k or so. The Meh up top you say is from a small turbo
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#2426845 - 03/11/08 10:57 PM Re: Discuss: ECOTEC [Re: Z24 lol]
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 Originally Posted By: HoustonRSX
STI in japans rev to 8k, Evo's here still rev to 7k or so. The Meh up top you say is from a small turbo



Dude read my post. You're talking 30++ thousand dollar cars. I'm asking you what car company is going to put a JDM STi drivetrain in a 22 thousand dollar car and sell it here. All of the turbo sport compacts on the market now are midrange-heavy. It's cheaper and easier to do it that way, and it's enough to sell so why spend a shit ton on R+D and manufacturing cost. You saying "Oh i'm sure they'll design a bunch of high revving bargain basement turbo sport compacts that make good power to 8k" is counterfactual. I can't see anything on the US market right now for the low 20s that lets me understand how you draw that conclusion. America's the land of midrange turbos anyway, at least at affordable levels. Even the dyno of the new EVO that was posted here weeks back vs a stock evo IX had it pegged with more midrange at the cost of topend.




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#2426850 - 03/11/08 10:58 PM Re: Discuss: ECOTEC [Re: NOT spotch...]
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#2426861 - 03/11/08 11:00 PM Re: Discuss: ECOTEC [Re: NOT spotch...]
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#2426865 - 03/11/08 11:01 PM Re: Discuss: ECOTEC [Re: Z24 lol]
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Dont make me send some shavers to you now saspotch!




lol, they'd better have a lot of time on their hands!


EDIT: You know, if we got the Sti JDM motor I might see myself swayed. I just hate how nearly all the affordable/cheap turbo cars in this country are all midrange.


Edited by spotch (03/11/08 11:02 PM)

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#2426874 - 03/11/08 11:03 PM Re: Discuss: ECOTEC [Re: NOT spotch...]
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Dont make me send some shavers to you now saspotch!




lol, they'd better have a lot of time on their hands!


Oh the first group will have some weed eaters, than a lawnmower, than trimmers to speed things up.

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#2426891 - 03/11/08 11:09 PM Re: Discuss: ECOTEC [Re: Z24 lol]
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Speaking of which, do they still sell Pepsi Si in tejas?
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#2426894 - 03/11/08 11:10 PM Re: Discuss: ECOTEC [Re: NOT spotch...]
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#2426922 - 03/11/08 11:19 PM Re: Discuss: ECOTEC [Re: Z24 lol]
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 Originally Posted By: HoustonRSX
You are taking the best kseries reflash/bolt on times. The SRT turbo is good till 108ishmph, and than its only a turbo upgrade to get more. Whereas a kseries motor will need a F/I setup or major major N/A work to get to that.


Years ago when I cared about SRT-4's, people were making 320whp with a 3" exhaust, CAI, Ebay intercooler and a $40 map clamp. I don't know much about MS3's or GTi's, but it seems like pretty big numbers can be had with not too many mods.
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#2427467 - 03/12/08 02:19 AM Re: Discuss: ECOTEC [Re: Euphoricuck]
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 Originally Posted By: Euphoric
err his post contains half my post


whoops.

thats what i get for posting from work in a rush.

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#2427533 - 03/12/08 02:46 AM Re: Discuss: ECOTEC [Re: Euphoricuck]
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 Originally Posted By: Euphoric
iirc a chipped gti is still quite a bit slower than a reflashed/ intake k series.
Im not quite sure what mbc or simple bolt on srt's are trapping.(100-102ish?) Cobalt SS(turbo one who knows since its not out but even the scharged one doesnt get much from simple upgrades )




GM stage 2 upgrade(injectors reflash and pulley) ,and bolt-ons have produced 280whp on S/C cobalts, that should be 104-106mph traps.

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#2427877 - 03/12/08 08:50 AM Re: Discuss: ECOTEC [Re: Quad4_driver]
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