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#2158145 - 12/23/07 10:19 PM Down, but not out..w/pics.
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Back in October, actually it was the last trip to Newport for the final cruise in @ the Jug. On the way up I noticed a slight sound coming from my tranny. Explained it to a few different people, they said it was prolly a pilot bearing or a throwout bearing. I didn't think it was the case as they were both brand new with my new clutch. I thought maybe it was a bearing inside the tranny...as they all weren't replaced when I did the lsd.

Anyway...drove it up and back, and that evening went into town. By the time I hit Vienna the sound had worsened so I came home and parked it. A few weeks later, I got around to pulling the tranny and there the tranny has sat until last night.

Pulled it apart and look what I found..

What you are looking @ is the end of the counter shaft. The bottom of the shaft that has the teeth sheared off is the gear that directly contacts the final drive and differential.


A side view of the entire countershaft.


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Couple more different angles



Here are 2 of the 3 missing teeth. I am gonna assume that the 3rd one went out w/the fluid. Those 2 were stuck to the tranny magnet on the casing.


Upon further inspection everything looks good. I got lucky that nothing else was seriously damaged.

I plan to replace the shaft, restack the gears and put it back together, good as new. I just need a b16a counter shaft...anyone know where I can get one?

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#2158321 - 12/23/07 11:57 PM Re: Down, but not out.. [Re: SiAdam]
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wow


holy fuck. thats harsh dude. i know a few places around here that would have the parts or a whole new transmission to donor parts from. if you get real desperate let me know and i'll find their numbers/websites for you
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#2159310 - 12/24/07 11:13 AM Re: Down, but not out.. [Re: cua0]
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S4C tranny? That's pretty common. I bet your ring gear is damaged too. The same thing will happen again with another S4C counter shaft. Best bet is to upgrade to a GSR/ITR counter shaft and ring gear, but that means your LSD won't fit.

The GSR/ITR countershaft is the same as far as tooth count, they just don't break like those do, perhaps a different material or surface treatment.

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#2159335 - 12/24/07 11:27 AM Re: Down, but not out.. [Re: AMS]
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Why is the b16 and the GSR the same part # then?
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#2159370 - 12/24/07 11:48 AM Re: Down, but not out.. [Re: mastrcobb]
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#2159546 - 12/24/07 01:45 PM Re: Down, but not out.. [Re: Mr. Knowitall.]
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or since it's out you could just have them cryo-treated and they'd be stronger than any oem part anyways.
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#2160021 - 12/24/07 06:13 PM Re: Down, but not out.. [Re: cua0]
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Wow that sucks, Sorry about the luck man
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#2160640 - 12/25/07 12:16 AM Re: Down, but not out.. [Re: cua0]
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 Originally Posted By: cua0
wow


holy fuck. thats harsh dude. i know a few places around here that would have the parts or a whole new transmission to donor parts from. if you get real desperate let me know and i'll find their numbers/websites for you


Would it be possible for you to check on something like that for me **bats eyelashes**

It's for my b16a2 tranny...if so..I could send you the $$ if reasonable via paypal and have ya ship it to me..??

LMK what you think.

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#2160644 - 12/25/07 12:19 AM Re: Down, but not out.. [Re: AMS]
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 Originally Posted By: AMS
S4C tranny? That's pretty common. I bet your ring gear is damaged too. The same thing will happen again with another S4C counter shaft. Best bet is to upgrade to a GSR/ITR counter shaft and ring gear, but that means your LSD won't fit.

The GSR/ITR countershaft is the same as far as tooth count, they just don't break like those do, perhaps a different material or surface treatment.


Well..I'd like to try another one..if it becomes an issue, I'll deal with it then...this one lasted through alot of wheelhops & such..

Ring gear looks mint..I can take some pics and post up if need be. The car drove great..shifted great..no problems..I would have never know aside from the noise.

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#2160646 - 12/25/07 12:19 AM Re: Down, but not out.. [Re: cua0]
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 Originally Posted By: cua0
or since it's out you could just have them cryo-treated and they'd be stronger than any oem part anyways.



Thinking about that as well.

Would be worth it.

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#2166049 - 12/27/07 08:37 AM Re: Down, but not out.. [Re: SiAdam]
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Maybe gearspeedinc.com could help you out.
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#2166267 - 12/27/07 10:18 AM Re: Down, but not out.. [Re: chrisgcivicsi]
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http://www.gear-speed.com/

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#2166915 - 12/27/07 01:39 PM Re: Down, but not out.. [Re: jcoosi]
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 Originally Posted By: jcoosi
http://www.gear-speed.com/

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Already checked there & a few other places...

I've got my eye on one on the cheap...

Prolly pick it up in the next week.

Next on the list will be a bearing puller.

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#2167293 - 12/27/07 03:27 PM Re: Down, but not out.. [Re: SiAdam]
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best way is to use a press and a couple pieces of 1/4 flat steel last few i done the gears came off easy
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#2168089 - 12/27/07 08:33 PM Re: Down, but not out.. [Re: jcoosi]
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 Originally Posted By: jcoosi
best way is to use a press and a couple pieces of 1/4 flat steel last few i done the gears came off easy


I don't have a press...BUT maybe I should invest in one.

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#2173244 - 12/29/07 06:29 PM Re: Down, but not out.. [Re: SiAdam]
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you need a press. I had that happen to me before. I used an e-gay special that someone spent the big bucks on a gear, and sold their stock unit to me. $100 is all I spent. I didn;t make it home I am suprised you did. my stuff exploded on a launch
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#2174908 - 12/30/07 02:28 PM Re: Down, but not out.. [Re: forced00si]
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 Originally Posted By: forced00si
you need a press. I had that happen to me before. I used an e-gay special that someone spent the big bucks on a gear, and sold their stock unit to me. $100 is all I spent. I didn;t make it home I am suprised you did. my stuff exploded on a launch


I am looking into getting a press.

Prolly a $100 dollar Harbor Frieght one.

12 ton..

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#2181106 - 01/01/08 11:39 PM Re: Down, but not out.. [Re: SiAdam]
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matco part # mst4518 will do the trick niceley
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#2181203 - 01/02/08 12:00 AM Re: Down, but not out.. [Re: forced00si]
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 Originally Posted By: forced00si
matco part # mst4518 will do the trick niceley



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Meh..I hate to pay the $$ and not even have a press..

I think I can do it w/a few sheets of metal and a press for the same price....

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#2181354 - 01/02/08 01:04 AM Re: Down, but not out.. [Re: SiAdam]
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 Originally Posted By: SiAdam
I think I can do it w/a few sheets of metal and a press for the same price....

You can, but you'll need a cheapy slide hammer with adapters IF you want to pull the two bearings (counter and main shaft) out of the case...

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#2182508 - 01/02/08 01:28 PM Re: Down, but not out.. [Re: Import Tuner]
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Actually, you do NOT need a bearing press @ all to get the top 2 bearings off that shaft.

And if you need a b16 shaft, I think I may even have one.
-Chuong

Doh, I just noticed that I was quoting import tuner. He is right about the case bearings needing a slide hammer.


Edited by 4doorEG (01/02/08 01:42 PM)
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#2182802 - 01/02/08 02:39 PM Re: Down, but not out.. [Re: 4doorEG]
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Actually, you do NOT need a bearing press @ all to get the top 2 bearings off that shaft.

And if you need a b16 shaft, I think I may even have one.
-Chuong

Doh, I just noticed that I was quoting import tuner. He is right about the case bearings needing a slide hammer.



Yea, I am concerned w/the countershaft right now..

However I was looking @ the bearings in the case, and 1 of them, forget which one..seemed like it could used replacing.

So I'll look into that once I get the counter reassembled.

Btw..4door you have PM!!!

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#2186249 - 01/03/08 12:07 PM Re: Down, but not out.. [Re: SiAdam]
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Well I found a countershaft & ring gear shipped for $150.

IT's on the way...went to pickup a press, but they were out.

So waiting on that to come in.

Once it's all here..I'll post some pics of the install..

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#2233191 - 01/16/08 10:07 PM Re: Down, but not out.. [Re: SiAdam]
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A few pics of what it SHOULD look like..lol.







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#2239420 - 01/18/08 02:10 PM Re: Down, but not out..w/pics. [Re: SiAdam]
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Damn Adam...that looked bad. Don't you have an OBX lsd?
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#2243243 - 01/20/08 01:01 AM Re: Down, but not out..w/pics. [Re: 00OldSi]
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Damn Adam...that looked bad. Don't you have an OBX lsd?


Yepper.
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#2246825 - 01/21/08 01:03 PM Re: Down, but not out..w/pics. [Re: SiAdam]
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Gotta love the tranny magnets
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#2248411 - 01/21/08 08:07 PM Re: Down, but not out..w/pics. [Re: 2k3SiHatch]
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Well, picked up my press today...I'll snap some pics when it's up and assembled.

When I get some time, I'll start to work on it.

Can't wait for thing to warm up..

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#2290894 - 02/04/08 12:54 AM Re: Down, but not out..w/pics. [Re: SiAdam]
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I had some time today before the bowl game and I thought I'd try to see how the new press would do.

Amazing how easy things come apart when you have the right tools..lol.

Harbor Frieght 12 ton press, $109.00
Harbor Frieght Large Bearing Seperator $19.99

The countshaft is apart, going to double check all the parts before it's reassembled.

Enjoy.

Getting everything lined up on the press.


Apart. The broken shaft to the right.


An "aerial view"


Next round will be reassembly.

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#2302436 - 02/06/08 10:29 PM Re: Down, but not out..w/pics. [Re: SiAdam]
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Cool. But you could have done it without the press and the bearing seperator \:\)
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#2304735 - 02/07/08 04:46 PM Re: Down, but not out..w/pics. [Re: 4doorEG]
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looks good adam, you are breaking shit while my car looks pretty in the garage \:\)
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#2307363 - 02/08/08 12:03 PM Re: Down, but not out..w/pics. [Re: 4doorEG]
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Cool. But you could have done it without the press and the bearing seperator \:\)


Meh....pulling it apart yes..putting it back together is alot easier w/a press.

Besides I have needed one for a while now...just gave me a reason to get one.

Wheelstuds, bearings/etc.

I bought a book, and it showed a few ways to get them apart w/o a press..but I wanted one, and plus it adds to my collection of tools..lol.

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#2307364 - 02/08/08 12:04 PM Re: Down, but not out..w/pics. [Re: SiRocket]
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looks good adam, you are breaking shit while my car looks pretty in the garage \:\)


Sup man...don't be such a stranger!!!

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#2491152 - 03/31/08 09:42 AM Re: Down, but not out..w/pics. [Re: SiAdam]
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Long story short, I went to put the tranny back together so I could get it in the car here in the next few weeks..

Turns out they sent me the wrong ring gear & countershaft.

First gen b16s and 2nd gen b16s are different..go figure..

So I am waiting on new parts...

I'll keep ya posted.

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#2492354 - 03/31/08 02:09 PM Re: Down, but not out..w/pics. [Re: SiAdam]
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doh, wrong parts ftl
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