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#20954 - 08/06/02 10:34 AM Re: B-Series Cam Guide
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i was looking all over for this.how come it aint sticky no more
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#20955 - 08/06/02 10:57 AM Re: B-Series Cam Guide
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It is not sticky anymore becase it was not getting a lot of hits and most of the regulars have it in their personal files. Make this post a favorite and it all you have to do is go to your "Home" and there is the post.

Plus 4 stickies is too much in one forum.
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#20956 - 12/24/02 03:41 PM Re: B-Series Cam Guide
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sam i went and talked to RTR and was asked about the differences in the toda B's vs. the skunk stage 2....what are the most noticable differences??? because they said that i may be able tyo get a good guy price on some skunk stage 2 ones if i wanted....what do you think?? lemme know please....also if you could also include the duration/lift....all the specs in your reply so i can print them out and show them to RTR becasue they were wondering about the difference.

eric
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#20957 - 12/27/02 01:49 PM Re: B-Series Cam Guide
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Eric, I answered your questions via phone but will post anyway.

Civic Type-R And Integra Type-R(Integra Type R 2000/01 Spec) measured at 1mm of lift
Int-243 dur. / 11.5mm lift
Exh-235 dur. / 10.5mm lift

Skunk2 Stage 2 measured at 1mm of lift
Int-266 dur. / 12.3mm lift
Exh-262 dur. / 11.8mm lift

Civic Type-R And Integra Type-R(Integra Type R 2000/01 Spec) measured at 0mm of lift
Int-278 dur. / 11.5mm lift
Exh-280 dur. / 10.5mm lift

Toda Spec B measured at 0mm of lift.
Int-295 dur. / 12.0mm lift
Exh-285 dur. / 12.0mm lift

One thing that is not compared is the Primary and Secondary lobes. TODA has traditionally used much larger Primary and Secondary lobes with their Spec B and Spec C over any other cam producer. These lobes provide larger off-VTEC gains. Skunk2, JUN, certain Crower cams have OEM or similar to OEM primary and seconday lobes and dont offer the midrange power of the TODA B and C.

Now for the real-world power gains.........Well TODA will give lots of midrange power and not so great top-end power. Although the specs are different, TODA B's give just a little more top-end than a TODA A. In a standard B16A2 they will gain around 25whp over the current set-up if the header is good and tuning is good. Add things like an ITR Intake Manifold, bigger TB, test-pipe, large exhaust, etc and the gains will be a little higher.

Skunk2 Stage 2's will offer much less midrange than the TODA B's but they are much more aggressive on the top-end. They offer tons of duration on both cams and good lift as well(sounds like JUN ). These cams will usually net around a 30-35whp peak gain with the almost-needed ITR Intake Manifold, large TB, etc.

I like both. They are my favorite two cams to be honest. However, I am a sucker for midrange power. I am an autocrosser who drives his car daily and was always wanting more midrange out of my B16A2. That is why I am more of a TODA fan. Plus in the days of JUN and TODA you had to choose one side or the other!!

Jerry will probaly favor a set of Skunk2's over TODA's. The Skunk2 Stage 3's are a very nice road race cam. They use a very low VTEC cross-over(compared to a TODA B or C!!) and have the most top-end power. Talented drivers that can keep the motor over 6500rpms at all times will like the Skunk 2 Stage 3's. I am an autocrosser and would like to ride 2nd gear all the way if I could, therefore I like a little midrange. TODA C's are nutty on valvetrain and fuel so the B's are my favorite cam.

I have told a ton of open-track day guys that Stage 2's(street) or Stage 3's(trailor) are the way to go. I also tell the autocrossers that Toda B's(street) or C's(trailor) is the way to go. Now with the TODA/Ericks Spec D's out....who knows. Thats a lot of stress on the valvetrain though! The D's(if I remember) are like a B/C off-VTEC and a Stage 3 on!!! Thats nutty.

The choice is yours(although you already made it) but from what you have told me, you want the midrage and TODA B is the way to go.
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#20958 - 12/27/02 05:38 PM Re: B-Series Cam Guide
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thanks a ton sam....jerry actually said he liked the todas alot...he said ill like em alot too...so thats what ill stick with...i got my crank today too...hello 1.8L
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#20959 - 12/28/02 07:47 AM Re: B-Series Cam Guide
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Now Sam I am planning to get Skunk2 Stage 3's, and like you I Autocross and Road race, and daily driver; I am currently running Crower 63402's; and what I do is adjust my cam gear's based on the event and course layout; to where I want my power band weather its on top or low or mid range; I would think that this would hold true for any cam, right; but of course with the new motor I am putting in, I know I only have so many degree's to use since it has 13:1 compression with a fully built head; My question to you is, what do you do when you need more power on a particular power band? we both know every weekend its a different course layout
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#20960 - 12/29/02 04:55 PM Re: B-Series Cam Guide
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any thoughts on this idea of changing cam gear setting based on course layout and where you want your power band? SAM
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#20961 - 12/30/02 04:53 PM Re: B-Series Cam Guide
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Great Guide. I guess the vtec engagement point changes w/ different cams, what is the optial point for, say, Toda Spec A's ?
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#20962 - 12/31/02 12:54 AM Re: B-Series Cam Guide
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Everyone needes Green eggs and SAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#20963 - 12/31/02 08:39 PM Re: B-Series Cam Guide
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Quote:

Everyone needes Green eggs and SAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



my new quote
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#20964 - 01/02/03 01:31 AM Re: B-Series Cam Guide
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Good work Sam. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#9142379 - 09/27/17 05:45 AM Re: B-Series Cam Guide [Re: samkarp]
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