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Test drove a 4 door Si today.
Likes: Great little car, fun to drive even at moderate pace. Not a torque monster but enough torque to say, take off on second gear from a stop, drive around town etc... It makes sexy noises as you rev it up, even though you aren't really going that fast. Vtec crossover is purely aural, you cannot feel it lol. The shifter is smooth as butter, as I was expecting. No notchiness, no slack. The throws are a little long though, relative to my current car.
dislikes: interior. The whole feel of it is like a spaceship; so much glass all around you, and even though the beltline is low you sit high, so I felt weird. I don't know...I guess I could get used to it, but the feel of the cabin is downright cheap, and that I don't know if I could get used to again. Not enough go power. OMG. this is a low 15sec car right? It just doesn't feel anything like it. I know that with Hondata and boltons this car can run low 14s or even high 13s but it just feels so much slower than my Z in stock form it's hard to believe.
The exterior styling isn't that bad from the rear, but that ultra short hood gives it that hybrid look which I just can't stand. They even had the Mugen Si there and with the body kit the overall look is vastly improved but for 29000 dollars they can suck my left nut.
The ride is definitely on the stiff side, though quite bearable, but it's stiff enough that I'd be worried of rattles developping in the future. You feel every imperfection, but the car I drove had no rattle sound or flex. Felt very solid and well put together, but most new cars do.
Overall, it's a good car, but I think Honda missed the boat on the styling inside and out, which is why I probably will not buy this as a replacement for my Z. The interior is what pisses me off the most. If they had modeled the interior styling of that car after say, the TSX interior styling, it would be a different story.
I can't fathom taking off from second though. No car I've driven except for a Dodge truck has been confortable with second gear starts (lots of clutch slipping and an obvious bog ensure).
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I didn't like the interior of it *at all* when I sat in my first Si. I had an LX loaner for a while and it actually grew on me quite a bit rather quickly, I actually enjoyed driving that after a day or so. Far from perfect but it definately grew on me.
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You do get used to it. Though I never really paid any attention to the ten foot dash. For what the car is its great step interior wise compared to the Em1. I dont know how you can say its cheap or has a cheap feel. I disagree. its no mercedes but common its a 20k civic.Its not liek 350's are known for fit and finish
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Originally Posted By: Euphoric
You do get used to it. Though I never really paid any attention to the ten foot dash. For what the car is its great step interior wise compared to the Em1. I dont know how you can say its cheap or has a cheap feel. I disagree. its no mercedes but common its a 20k civic.Its not liek 350's are known for fit and finish
I wasn't talking about fit and finish. The fit and finish are ok. I was talking about the overall feel, which is of a cheap econo car. 350zs aren't the best interior wise, but there is not mistaken the interior is that of a sports car.
But I guess when you've been driving an econocar for 80% of this decade, you wouldn't know what I'm talking about. That's ok.
overall feel of the interior is also way up compared to the em1 . Its a 20k civic. what did you expect, a maybach? i know you know me and what ive driven . its ok.
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I never found it cheap and the fit/finish was nice, but it doesn't impress as much as a GTI's where the materials just seem top notch and really make up for what could be called extremely plain jane otherwise.
I think the coupe looks way better than the sedan as well.
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I love my FA5. The interior is a huge step up from my 00 ex. the car is very well put together. A few guys on 8th gen are running 14.1's in stock form. Oh well he is a pic of my car, great daily driver in my opinion.
quick vid of a friends SI I/H/stock exhaust hondata TSX cams.
thats retarded for bone stock... did they put in hondata's tuen into the stock computer from the factory?
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I love my FA5. The interior is a huge step up from my 00 ex. the car is very well put together. A few guys on 8th gen are running 14.1's in stock form. Oh well he is a pic of my car, great daily driver in my opinion.
Stock? I don't think so. I've run a few, my car is chipped running 14.5s, and they couldn't pull on me. I have a hard time believing they're low 14sec cars in stock form. Maybe with some Hondata.
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he did provide a link...although I agree it is hard to believe
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You can hide a ECU reprogram super easy. I say he has a hondata. What does 3rd top out in a stock new SI? Seems like he shifted to 4th almost as he crossed the traps.
I was thinking he has to have hondata reflash or something.
no idea what stock 3rd tops out at. but he was well into 4th before the traps.
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I think its like 78ish in 3rd I know it 102-103 in 4th cause I love that gear
Take this as it is, most si's run 14.7-15.2 stock. There are always a few out of the bunch that are factory freaks and have really good drivers behind them.
The factory freaks are putting 195ish to the wheels with just intake.
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14.1 will only happen in a stock car with divine intervention coupled with a great driver and great great weather conditions. After driving that car, trust me, it is NOT anywhere close to low 14s on an average day.
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Originally Posted By: Impulsive
I never found it cheap and the fit/finish was nice, but it doesn't impress as much as a GTI's where the materials just seem top notch and really make up for what could be called extremely plain jane otherwise.
I think the coupe looks way better than the sedan as well.
See...it's not just the fit and finish, materials etc...it's the simple fact that this car feels like a Civic too much. The Golf feels like an Audi and even the MS3 feels like a more upscale car. The Si feels econo. That's what I meant. They could have made it spicier. I mean, look at the euro Civic Type R version of this car; much better.
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Originally Posted By: cliff st-clair
Test drove a 4 door Si today.
Likes: Great little car, fun to drive even at moderate pace. Not a torque monster but enough torque to say, take off on second gear from a stop, drive around town etc... It makes sexy noises as you rev it up, even though you aren't really going that fast. Vtec crossover is purely aural, you cannot feel it lol. The shifter is smooth as butter, as I was expecting. No notchiness, no slack. The throws are a little long though, relative to my current car.
dislikes: interior. The whole feel of it is like a spaceship; so much glass all around you, and even though the beltline is low you sit high, so I felt weird. I don't know...I guess I could get used to it, but the feel of the cabin is downright cheap, and that I don't know if I could get used to again. Not enough go power. OMG. this is a low 15sec car right? It just doesn't feel anything like it. I know that with Hondata and boltons this car can run low 14s or even high 13s but it just feels so much slower than my Z in stock form it's hard to believe.
The exterior styling isn't that bad from the rear, but that ultra short hood gives it that hybrid look which I just can't stand. They even had the Mugen Si there and with the body kit the overall look is vastly improved but for 29000 dollars they can suck my left nut.
The ride is definitely on the stiff side, though quite bearable, but it's stiff enough that I'd be worried of rattles developping in the future. You feel every imperfection, but the car I drove had no rattle sound or flex. Felt very solid and well put together, but most new cars do.
Overall, it's a good car, but I think Honda missed the boat on the styling inside and out, which is why I probably will not buy this as a replacement for my Z. The interior is what pisses me off the most. If they had modeled the interior styling of that car after say, the TSX interior styling, it would be a different story.
Okay, I traded in a 2003 Nissan Altima SE with the 3.5 engine, a little less power than the Z but close. I had an AEM intake and AEM Performance Exhaust. The thing I miss the most about the Altima is the Torque. You punched it, it went, smoked the tires kicked you back in the seat. The Civic SI does not do it. But, when you are on the highway, downshift to third and floor it at about 50, you will feel the ivtec kick in. It is fun, and the car handles well. I plan on keeping it for a few years, then go back to something more powerful, but it is a fun car to drive.
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the gti doesnt feel(or look) like an audi... (ive driven it a lot) I read a few reviews which said its quality was down compared to years past? IMO it felt no more upscale than the civic did.
now an actual audi(such as the s4 I test drove) was noticably more upscale(duh).
I still dont get the complaint though. its a 20k civic that is miles ahead of the models that came before it(in terms of fit and finish). its not a luxury car or entry level.
its competitors fit and finish is very similar imo. its a civic man. I dont get it.
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When I sat in my new SI I felt like I was sitting in a lexus compared to my old 00ex. The 00 SI was only 4k less then the new si's and as far as fit and finish and the options you get it is well worth the price tag.
30 more hp Night and Day interior upgrade Factory 17's VSA(traction control) auto open and close sunroof
so on and so forth.
the only car that competes in this price range is the speed3 which is a great bargain for the price. I put alot of miles on my car though and I didn't want the headache of replacing turbos after 3 years or 100k miles.
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I would hope it would be better than the 00 Si, which basic interior design was from 1996. Come on people it's 2007, it could only be compared with contemporary interiors. Don't compare it to a 10 year old design. I understand it's a Civic but no, Euphoria, I wasn't expecting a Maybach type interiors But I think it could be much better when compared to the other sport compacts in that class. Again, I know how hard you swing from the nuts of the Civic so it's going to be hard for you to agree, so we'll just agree to disagree. We are entitled to our opinions, after all.
Did I mention I like everything else about that car? The only thing I have a problem with is the styling in and out.
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I love my Si Sedan. I have been a little dissapointed on the fuel mileage, but that is about it. Everyone who has been in the car asks if it's a V6 lol.
She's a bitch when cold due to the DBW, and 3rd is notchy when cold as well. I really like the interior, remember I came from a Camaro though... but it is comfortable. The A-Pillar is a huge bitch.
The car is definitely quick, it's no race car obviously but the roll on power is nice, and the LSD keeps the corners very crisp. I think the electric steering is perfectly weighted. The ride can be a little jarring, but never horrible. Turn in is quick, and precise. Steering wheel is perfect.
The trans is awesome besides the cold 3rd notchiness. Sound system is excellent.
The cars aren't that bad. There were a few of them this weekend at the Streets of Willow HPDE, both in 2 door and 4 door variety, and I’ve spent one session chasing two of them. One looked factory stock, the other one looked dropped and had exhaust at the least. I was pretty impressed with their acceleration, which was just a bit slower than mine, so I was unable to overtake them on the straights. Handling was nothing special really, because my stock suspension mustang had absolutely no problem keeping up with either one of them, and once I did get the point by after 3 laps of tailing the shit out of them, half a lap later they were nowhere in sight. I suppose with a better driver, those cars could have been quicker, but not much. They just had a LOT of body roll and understeer. Maybe it’s a good new car, but there has to be something better for the money.
I can't fathom taking off from second though. No car I've driven except for a Dodge truck has been confortable with second gear starts (lots of clutch slipping and an obvious bog ensure).
you're doing something wrong if you can't start a forester with an sti turbo/ic/tune in second. THIRD is a stretch, but i've done it on level ground--slopes don't count.
hell, i 2nd gear started my si all the time, and a friend's crx had no issue with it either. it's MUCH easier in the sti, but neither of those were all that difficult to get going.
I can start my Si in 2nd no problem..not even riding the clutch.infact ive done it a couple times in the last week as I forgot to put it in first when at a traffic light as for backseat room... the em1 definatly beats the FG when it comes to back seat leg and head room.
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the em1 had freakish amounts of room for what it was. you'd never expect you could move someone out of a dorm room, COMPLETELY, in one trip. the catch is that you needed to not have a sound system, but still, god damn!
I think that guy is responding in the 06 Si Forum. Scroll down for his post. http://forums.clubsi.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/2095472 I offered myself to inspect the car, probably after winter. Could anybody from SVA in the MD area with mechanic expertise might want to help me? I don't know all the tricks and I'm really curious to see if this is legit. Thx.
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I think that guy is responding in the 06 Si Forum. Scroll down for his post. http://forums.clubsi.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/2095472 I offered myself to inspect the car, probably after winter. Could anybody from SVA in the MD area with mechanic expertise might want to help me? I don't know all the tricks and I'm really curious to see if this is legit. Thx.
I was guessing nitrous and open intake, but the reflash seems more fitting.
thats the link I posted. There are 9 cars that have posted sup 15 second 1/4's. the forum is new with only a handful of active posters. I think that the 14.1 could be legit on a good track and prime conditions.
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I think that guy is responding in the 06 Si Forum. Scroll down for his post. http://forums.clubsi.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/2095472 I offered myself to inspect the car, probably after winter. Could anybody from SVA in the MD area with mechanic expertise might want to help me? I don't know all the tricks and I'm really curious to see if this is legit. Thx.
I believe the car was stock. I just think the guy ran on a really cold day on a track that's known to run really fast when it's cold. No biggie. He should leave the car stock and run it again in the spring or when it's 60 degrees out. I bet he's running a 14.8.
I'm tired of reminding some of you, but when I had my EM1 with only boltons I ran multiple 14.67-14.7 @93-94mph when it was 39 degrees out. Came back on many occasions after that and was stuck mostly in the low 15s. And the only other time I ran 14s was a 14.9.
Some cars run much better when it's cold. The only problem with cold weather is traction, but the dense air adds quite a few whp. You can't overlook that.
I really want to take the Z out on a 30 degree day and see what she'll do. My best time so far is a 13.89@100.7mph in 50 degree weather, but I've never dragged it nearly as much as I did my Si. Bet I can get a 13.6 out of her when it's real cold. And everyone will think I did a VQ 35hr swap
Cold air definately makes a huge deal...but THAT much? just seems impossible to be THAT much imo.
I know you were quicker, but you werent 6 mph faster than on the warmer days...
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What's with people trading down or wanting to trade down?
G35 to Tc 350z to Civic STi to Fit
Fail. Almost like you want to be back in tha strugglez
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Originally Posted By: CrazeD_SS
What's with people trading down or wanting to trade down?
G35 to Tc 350z to Civic STi to Fit
Fail. Almost like you want to be back in tha strugglez
Perhaps because people have grown up and realized that the street racing life is over and they want to have a nice quality car that gets good fuel milage?
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not everyone is a baller that doesn't care about $4.00/gal gas prices or $600.00.+ car payments. I really want a 335i but I don't want to break the bank to do it. might have to wait another year...
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Yea, Ill admit, I'm still extremely juvenile. I really glad I got the cutlass because the corvette has just about zero practicality.. especially after I filled the storage space in the trunk with a subwoofer.
I will finally be able to go grocery shopping for the first time in about a year now
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The main problem is people get married and have children. Fuck that shit. Disposable income and freedom from parasitical kids ftw.
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there more to life than disposable income and toys....
doesnt mean I think people who get married or have kids should ditch all their toys(god knows a lot of them do).
peoples priorities change.some of the "lesser" cars make great daily drivers. certainley better than the GIANT TURD(cutlass) you have crazed...
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The main problem is people get married and have children. Fuck that shit. Disposable income and freedom from parasitical kids ftw.
You're only half right... statistically speaking you're a lot more likely to have extra disposable wealth after marriage than when you're single. Aside from potential tax breaks and insurance savings splitting everything between 2 people is always cheaper.
I've been moving on up...except I've been moving on down when it comes to performance or even "feel".
I would love nothing more than a performance car, but I came to the realization that everything I touch is a problem and I honestly don't have the chance to use much of any performance, so punishing myself 98% of the time for the couple times I get to have a bit of fun = suck.
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I think the secret is to not modify a car if it's a DD or sees a lot of road duty. The Z06 is virtually stock except for the replacement H-Pipe, and it's been pretty much hassle free.
My buddies at work have C6's.. one has a STS twin turbo kit on his and the other has a tune a bolt-ons. Of course the guy with the turbo kit has been having issues.. the bolt-on one runs strong though.
They keep trying to convince me to get an intake, headers, and tune.. but I dont feel like ruining another perfectly good car. With my luck, I know simple mods like that will probably cause me a bunch of hassle down the road.
My mom's advice seemed to be very sound.. She says, "Why you always messin with those cars? Why dont you just get the car you need and be done with it?"
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Your mom's advice is the same as my mom's (and Dad's).
Most cars I've modded were bascially bolt ons that were supposed to be trouble free, easy to bolt on and reliable. They all had a comprimise or some sort of install issue.
I'd still like a reflash on the RDX since it's a good 30 all wheel horzepowerz and 40 torx, but even with the SRT-4, the Stage 2 setup, gas and knock retard were huge issues and it is kinda of annoying having to make special trips to certain gas stations to get the best gas (94 instead of 91).
I think I'll continue to swap cars with the wife for the next one. Hand her the RDX and I'll look for something AWD, smaller and lighter. 335 AWD seems about right to me.
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I think the secret is to not modify a car if it's a DD or sees a lot of road duty.
Or think it through. Figure out what it is you're trying to realistically accomplish, and make sure all the mods point in that direction and work together.
My mom doesn't criticize my car fetish, she won't even talk about it unless it's with my wife and they're trading advice on how to tune me out. Apparently, I've been boring people with my esoteric car obsessions since I was seven.
Or think it through. Figure out what it is you're trying to realistically accomplish, and make sure all the mods point in that direction and work together.
I did just that with both the SRT-4 and FXT. Now, the SRT-4 was just too loud, too rough when modded, so that one could be seen as my own fault (not like there were quiet exhausts out there though).
The FXT was basically stock STi parts and well, that didn't go well at all.
I do realize that my results were just odd, but I had planned my mods well on both cars.
My tolerance for issues is lower than many, but the FXT was a literal nightmare.
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I did just that with both the SRT-4 and FXT. Now, the SRT-4 was just too loud, too rough when modded, so that one could be seen as my own fault (not like there were quiet exhausts out there though).
The FXT was basically stock STi parts and well, that didn't go well at all.
I do realize that my results were just odd, but I had planned my mods well on both cars.
My tolerance for issues is lower than many, but the FXT was a literal nightmare.
Yeah, you got hosed on the FXT, but that's just one of those unforeseeable bad luck things. It should have worked just fine. With the SRT-4, that stock exhaust droned too loudly on the highway, there's no way I was going to buy a louder one - though I momentarily considered buying a larger diameter exhaust and then adding a real muffler to it to try to quiet it down without losing power. But I didn't do a thing to mine once I realized that it was an impulse purchase and probably a mistake. It did show me what I find to be an acceptable power-to-weight ratio - every car I had before that was too slow, but I didn't know where the good-enough level was. Now I do and will mod the Alfa accordingly.
Stock? I don't think so. I've run a few, my car is chipped running 14.5s, and they couldn't pull on me. I have a hard time believing they're low 14sec cars in stock form. Maybe with some Hondata.
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But I think it could be much better when compared to the other sport compacts in that class. Again, I know how hard you swing from the nuts of the Civic so it's going to be hard for you to agree, so we'll just agree to disagree. We are entitled to our opinions, after all. 
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