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#1941670 - 10/11/07 11:18 PM Did He Hit The Cone or Not?
Runnin@Redline Offline
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Well, did he?
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#1941980 - 10/12/07 04:27 AM Re: Did He Hit The Cone or Not? [Re: Runnin@Redline]
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Wow, look at the driver's side tire pulling away from the rim.

Yes, he did. His tire was inside the chalk, so he gets docked.

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#1942058 - 10/12/07 07:23 AM Re: Did He Hit The Cone or Not? [Re: SamuraiSam]
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Remember, it only counts if the cone is outside the chalk box, the tire inside the clalk does not matter!
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#1942889 - 10/12/07 12:39 PM Re: Did He Hit The Cone or Not? [Re: Runnin@Redline]
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If the cone was still standing and any part of the cone was touching the box; then there's no penalty.
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#1943408 - 10/12/07 02:49 PM Re: Did He Hit The Cone or Not? [Re: greenmaxse]
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Come on Adam, I have had much closer encounters than that!

I am guessing that is the +1 on your 68.582+1 run...............
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#1945498 - 10/13/07 04:20 PM Re: Did He Hit The Cone or Not? [Re: samkarp]
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Looking at the picture, you would think its that one \:D but remember where that corner is on the track (last box before the left hander into the finish) think about what the car was doing then \:D
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#1945718 - 10/13/07 06:37 PM Re: Did He Hit The Cone or Not? [Re: greenmaxse]
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 Originally Posted By: greenmaxse
If the cone was still standing and any part of the cone was touching the box; then there's no penalty.


thats how we define a cone penalty at our auto-x's its the "down and out" rule.
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#1949315 - 10/15/07 09:23 AM Re: Did He Hit The Cone or Not? [Re: super_nguyen]
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 Originally Posted By: super_nguyen
 Originally Posted By: greenmaxse
If the cone was still standing and any part of the cone was touching the box; then there's no penalty.


thats how we define a cone penalty at our auto-x's its the "down and out" rule.


That's standard SCCA regulations. I've seen some clubs do it differently. One club locally in Ct counts pointer cones, and I've seen some clubs only add 1 second per cone. I prefer SCCA regs, plus it keeps it consistent.
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#1950444 - 10/15/07 03:07 PM Re: Did He Hit The Cone or Not? [Re: greenmaxse]
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 Originally Posted By: greenmaxse
If the cone was still standing and any part of the cone was touching the box; then there's no penalty.


+1.

But I think the question was whether the car actually hit the cone to result in the penalty. My CSI (Crime Scene Investigation - not this website) skills say that the arm placement of the driver indicates that a countersteer is in progress and there is a 30% probability that the cone was left standing.

Gorgeous pic BTW! I have our last event this Friday, then off come the Azenis!
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#1950542 - 10/15/07 03:35 PM Re: Did He Hit The Cone or Not? [Re: AX-NY'06Si]
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The section coming into this right 90 100 foot center right 90 box was very fast, IE almost the the rev limiter, atleast 50+ mph if that gives any clue \:\)

Plus, if i was moving forward why would the tire be pulling off like that? ;\)
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#1954908 - 10/16/07 08:54 PM Re: Did He Hit The Cone or Not? [Re: Runnin@Redline Jr]
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#1959204 - 10/18/07 02:12 AM Re: Did He Hit The Cone or Not? [Re: skierd]
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I'm gonna say yeah he hit it look at the line he took then try and picture the rear wheels following if anything the rear wheels hit and knocked the cone over
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#5256775 - 12/20/10 05:04 PM Re: Did He Hit The Cone or Not? [Re: sleeper_crx]
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I don't know about the cone, but are you guys (Karp, Redline, and Redline Jr.) still going hard after all these years ?, lol. BTW Is Scott (MadtownSi) still around these parts ?

Sorry, but I've been away from things for a few years, I've been busy raising a family and unfortunately I've been driving family vehicles since leaving CSI. I finally got back into a car that I can enjoy at the track again. I thought I'd search around and see who's doing what. Things must be pretty slow around here, this thread is 3 years old ? lol.

Best regards to everyone, I hope you're all doing well.
Joey

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#5276064 - 12/30/10 09:57 PM Re: Did He Hit The Cone or Not? [Re: JSIR]
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Joey,

well I am still having fun killing cones.. not many track days; Sam still races, though not as much as he used to and Adam races when he is in town! I still have my original SI!
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#5279490 - 01/02/11 05:17 PM Re: Did He Hit The Cone or Not? [Re: JSIR]
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Joey!

Karp and Redline are still Auto-xing after all these years, I am working out of Australia now, so Autox has taken a side step for now. Not sure how much Sam or my dad visti CSi these days either, but hey I know Karp is on facebook.

Csi is pretty slow in general, all over cept the Out There forum, and like you said, this thread is 3 years old. Glad to see you back around here, we had some good times at Gingerman! My dad still has his Si btw.

Oh yeah, I missed that cone \:D
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#5292518 - 01/07/11 06:50 PM Re: Did He Hit The Cone or Not? [Re: Runnin@Redline]
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 Originally Posted By: Runnin@Redline
Joey,

well I am still having fun killing cones.. not many track days; Sam still races, though not as much as he used to and Adam races when he is in town! I still have my original SI!


That's sweet, great that you still have the original SI, nice to hear from both of you. Adam I hope all is well with you in Australia, sounds like a nice place to be. I wish you both all the best, I had some fun times at Gingerman, I just resurected some old event pics the other day. Best regards guys.
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#6195867 - 03/09/12 09:08 AM Re: Did He Hit The Cone or Not? [Re: JSIR]
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Come on Adam, I have had much closer encounters than that!
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#6209878 - 03/15/12 05:27 AM Re: Did He Hit The Cone or Not? [Re: chicguy]
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Is it so fun in killing the cones!!!
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