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#1684889 - 07/25/07 07:42 PM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: LNXGUY]
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#1685288 - 07/25/07 09:53 PM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: Euphoricuck]
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good work Bill!


Thanks man \:\) Got the housing to where I want it.. Now I just need to either alter the original actuator bracket or make a new one. I am also boring a blown vnt15 so I can make sure I get as close to stock dimensions as possible. I don't wanna go to install this thing and have it not fit cause that would really suck.

Now to make a decision between the stock SMIC, or a FMIC.
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#1685634 - 07/25/07 10:49 PM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: LNXGUY]
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fmic ftw \:D

diesel jetta with fmic would be sweet.
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#1685878 - 07/25/07 11:38 PM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: Euphoricuck]
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tmic FTMFW! I've got an charge air cooler that would work....it has 1200sqin of surface area. lol ic-hood
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#1686366 - 07/26/07 06:48 AM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: Scargoes]
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tmic FTMFW! I've got an charge air cooler that would work....it has 1200sqin of surface area. lol ic-hood


Then I would have an excuse to run a hood scoop! \:\) I want to pick up a FMIC that has both outlets on the same side. There are also upgraded smic's available (Boostfactor, TyrolSport) but the price is pretty steep...
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#1686479 - 07/26/07 08:14 AM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: LNXGUY]
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do you have to do anyhting to the injection pump or can it feed enough fuel in stock forum?
i am intersted to see how this goes as well. I have a mechanical head 1.6TD ready for my Suzuki samurai (if i ever get off my ass and finish the truck)
Do you know of anyone that has run that turbo on a 1.6?
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#1686538 - 07/26/07 08:39 AM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: bAt_Rob_zc911]
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If I can find a used 11mm pump (Off the auto cars) for a good price I'll probably pick that up. If not, maybe a 11mm plunger and cam plate.. I am going to be running a 3-5psi inline fuel pump near the tank. The 99.5-03 cars with the VE pump don't have lift pumps like the '04+ cars do. They'll sometime see powerloss at high rpm because of lack of fuel. Also makes it a bit easier on the pump...

I don't know of anyone that has put a vnt20 on a 1.6. 1.6's don't use a vnt turbo stock. So making a vnt work properly would be a task.
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#1687018 - 07/26/07 11:10 AM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: Euphoricuck]
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Originally Posted By: Euphoric
back when I bought my stuff stainless was quite a bit cheaper than aluminum around here and LNX lives in my area.


maybe its diff in Cali or things have changed since then. I dunno. That is something LNX will have to look into for himself.

Not to mention stainless piping was way easier to find locally.


Once you start buying in bulk and find the right suppliers its different. Either way, there is no reason to use heavier stainless when you can use aluminum for a similar price.

If you have the cash, go FMIC for sure.

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#1687032 - 07/26/07 11:15 AM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: LNXGUY]
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Originally Posted By: LNXGUY
If I can find a used 11mm pump (Off the auto cars) for a good price I'll probably pick that up. If not, maybe a 11mm plunger and cam plate.. I am going to be running a 3-5psi inline fuel pump near the tank. The 99.5-03 cars with the VE pump don't have lift pumps like the '04+ cars do. They'll sometime see powerloss at high rpm because of lack of fuel. Also makes it a bit easier on the pump...

I don't know of anyone that has put a vnt20 on a 1.6. 1.6's don't use a vnt turbo stock. So making a vnt work properly would be a task.


cool, well if you pop it i ahve a spare 1.9 block haha \:D
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#1687103 - 07/26/07 11:32 AM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: qksl2]
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Originally Posted By: qksl2
Originally Posted By: Euphoric
back when I bought my stuff stainless was quite a bit cheaper than aluminum around here and LNX lives in my area.


maybe its diff in Cali or things have changed since then. I dunno. That is something LNX will have to look into for himself.

Not to mention stainless piping was way easier to find locally.


Once you start buying in bulk and find the right suppliers its different. Either way, there is no reason to use heavier stainless when you can use aluminum for a similar price.

If you have the cash, go FMIC for sure.

Ian

you are comparing buying in bulk to someone buy 4-6 180 bends for some ic piping...


All Im saying is when I bought my stuff(not in bulk) around here stainless was much cheaper and way easier to come by.

things might have changed since then(pricing wise) but im sure stainless is still much easier to get.

Of course aluminum is the most optimal but its not like if he goes with stainless he will be putting himself way behind.

weight savings arent much... If he was running some sts setup with 30 ft of piping then I could see the savings being worthwhile.
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#1687125 - 07/26/07 11:39 AM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: Euphoricuck]
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Maybe I'll have to buy all my piping directly from Ian!!! lol
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#1687162 - 07/26/07 11:45 AM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: LNXGUY]
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might be a good idea.
provided he ships it properly ;\) (And before Ian shits himself that I said that. i mean , have it labeled right so Bill doesnt get rapped by customs).

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#1688111 - 07/26/07 02:34 PM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: Euphoricuck]
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Guys, any thoughts on this?

I would like to keep both the inlet and outlet on the same side to minimize the length of tubing and also cause the intake manifold connection is on the passenger side...

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#1688182 - 07/26/07 02:51 PM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: LNXGUY]
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top to bottom are slightly more efficient than side to side iirc.
xs stuff is decent but pricey.
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#1694494 - 07/28/07 01:55 PM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: Euphoricuck]
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FMIC has been ordered \:\)
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#1703367 - 07/31/07 12:20 PM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: LNXGUY]
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There is now a 11mm injection pump sitting in my trunk.. Decided to go with this over the PD150 intake manifold. Price was about the same, from this alone on a stock car you'll see 20HP/40ftlbs. This is really going to help get all that fuel to the boost I plan on running.. EGT/Oil/Boost gauges are on their way, with all the senders, etc.. Got a pretty decent deal..

1.8T axles should be here soon, I just need some 108mm tranny flanges and I can get those installed. Items that still need to be done are: Adapter from exhaust manifold to turbo, IC piping, downpipe, oil feed line. Once I get the FMIC, I am going to mock it up, make all the mounting tabs and do whatever trimming I have to do to the bumper and rebar to get it to fit. I might also install the 11mm injection pump before hand.

[insert Jaws music here)
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#1747143 - 08/13/07 01:41 PM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: LNXGUY]
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Sorry for the lack of updates guys, the guy who was supposed to be fabricating some stuff for me has been a flake. Anyhow, for some more interesting news, I'll be getting on a dyno this weekend at the VAGCRAFT show in Brampton, On. Any thoughts on the numbers I'll make? I installed a 11mm pump last weekend, which has helped the upper rpms and smokes like a fucking freight train.

New parts on the work bench:

FMIC
1.8T axles
Boost,oil and EGT gauges.

Parts I am still waiting for:

108mm flanges
R32 airbox with inlet and snorkel
map sensor flange adapter for intercooler pipe


I'll also get video of it on the dyno (Its a Dynapack) I might even make some changes so it smokes out the entire fucking place \:\)

My guess.

130HP/250ftlbs.
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#1747269 - 08/13/07 02:03 PM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: LNXGUY]
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I thought smoke is wasted fuel?
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#1747427 - 08/13/07 02:38 PM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: Impulsive]
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I thought smoke is wasted fuel?


It is.. I don't have enough boost to take advantage of all the extra fuel that the 11mm pump is giving me..

The smoke would just be for show, it raises EGT's and basically wastes fuel. I am getting it turned down on Thursday. I'd rather have a bit of smoke to make sure that I am a bit overfueled, then underfueled.
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#1748051 - 08/13/07 05:22 PM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: LNXGUY]
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I want to pick up a FMIC that has both outlets on the same side.
I know the new gen Saab 900 and 9-3 (97-03) had fmic with inlet and outlet on the same side (except the viggen). A lot of guys upgraded to get better cooling, so you might be able to find them cheap.
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#1749309 - 08/14/07 12:41 AM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: Euphoricuck]
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Originally Posted By: Euphoric
top to bottom are slightly more efficient than side to side iirc.
xs stuff is decent but pricey.


Actually vertical stack i/c's are typically less efficient but flow better, due to the shorter tubes and the sheer number of them.

The XS stuff, is cheap and generally shitty. However, ebay intercoolers have made shit tons of horsepower for us, and I've seen over 25 psi through them without issues, so I'm sure you are good in that department. Leaps and bounds better than a stock vdub one. Good choice.

And you can have some piping... as I pm'd you before.

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#1749705 - 08/14/07 07:37 AM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: qksl2]
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Thanks again Ian.. I am going to be running about 28psi through that XSPower IC. Hopefully with the low amount of cfm that a tdi pushes, it will handle it with ease.
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#1765365 - 08/18/07 10:06 PM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: LNXGUY]
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Well, got dyno'd at VAGKRAFT with my current setup.

11mm pump
Sprint 502's
Technine Stg II

I don't think the technician knew what the fuck he was doing, instead of running through the gears, he decided to start off in 4th, with the car under load. And you wonder why the fucking CLUTCH WAS SLIPPING!?!?! The guy stalled it about 3 times.. After finally telling him to stop and to roll into the throttle, I got in 2-3 good runs. I have the sheet and video evidence \:\) I was hoping for 130hp/250ftlbs and I got exactly that.....at the wheel.

With a correction rate of 16%, I'm seeing 151hp/291ftlbs at the crank. I'll get the dyno lot scanned and uploaded tomorrow. I think the torque value is a bit high, but the plot is nice and smooth.. So I dunno.. HP is exactly what I thought it was going to be, and expected from a setup like this...
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#1765498 - 08/18/07 11:18 PM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: LNXGUY]
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Nice! Now you will be able to pull all the broken Powerstrokes and Duramaxs off the road with ease.
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#1765562 - 08/19/07 12:05 AM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: Scargoes]
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I can't believe nobody remembered to say it....

CRUSH BENT PIPES!

Nice numbers. How's it feel, out in the real world?
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#1765586 - 08/19/07 12:27 AM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: NOHC]
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#1765873 - 08/19/07 07:31 AM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: NOHC]
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I can't believe nobody remembered to say it....

CRUSH BENT PIPES!

Nice numbers. How's it feel, out in the real world?


I'll need some crush bent pipes \:\) lol. Car feels great out on the road, lots of passing power, to bad 1st and 2nd gear weren't a bit longer, 1st gear gets me to about 15mph if I am lucky.. \:\) If I can find a decent used O2A (vr6 tranny), I'll just swap out the stock 5th for a TDI 5th gear and I should be all set. Better acceleration across the board, without losing any highway mileage.
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#1766097 - 08/19/07 11:01 AM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: LNXGUY]
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I r jealous.

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#1766891 - 08/19/07 05:08 PM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: vwkaferman]
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Chuck, I have been running the remap and injectors for a while now, I just upgraded the pump. With the stock 10mm pump and the remap/injectors my best tank since the upgrades was 55MPG (US). A remap and injector upgrade will give you better mileage and more power.. I know this doesn't make much sense, lol. I have lost a bit with the 11mm pump, I haven't ran a full tank through the car yet, and have been beating on it pretty much the entire time.. My guess is I'd pull a 45MPG tank. Most likely because the software still thinks there is a 10mm pump in there and is injecting assloads of fuel. I probably would have had better numbers if I had it remapped once the pump went in.. Here are a few pics from the weekend....




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#1766971 - 08/19/07 05:41 PM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: LNXGUY]
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#1767074 - 08/19/07 06:25 PM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: MIGHTY gb]
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awesome stuff Bill!
we should go for a run

its too bad the darn thing cant hold the torque curve a little better.
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#1767139 - 08/19/07 06:47 PM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: Euphoricuck]
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Yeah, it drops off pretty quick, same with the hp curve.. I dunno if the clutch slipped, and he let off and got back onto it, but you wouldn't think it would drop off like that. I wish I captured the logs in VAGCOM, then I would have seen all the boost levels, throttle position etc.. Then maybe I could explain that weirdness..
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#1767154 - 08/19/07 06:54 PM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: LNXGUY]
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I find when I dyno in fourth gear, the load on the engine from being WOT at 2500 with no spool, the engine kinda lugs, then when it finally spools, the boost tends to spike, then the ECU tries to scale it back ASAP, which results in a dip, then it rises back up. My third gear pulls were cleaner (same power) and the boost curve was smoother.

How much tuning do you have left to do?

Any thoughts on the new 140 diesel? A Rabbit/Jetta diesel would be the perfect commuter for the wifey and I which having a practical fun car for other occasions.

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#1767431 - 08/19/07 08:38 PM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: Impulsive]
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We'll get the Jetta sedan and wagon in the fall with the 2.0 Common Rail engine, I dunno when they are going to put it in the Rabbit.. It's going to be 100% completely different then any diesel you have driven. I cannot wait to take one of those badboys out for a spin... 140hp/236ftlbs. A much needed improvement.

As far as tuning is concerned, that remap was just for my Sprint 502 injectors. Big turbo is still sitting on the bench, along with the FMIC and loads of other shit that needs to go in. I'll be getting a custom tune once everything is in, I'll hopefully be able to get on the dyno and get some numbers for comparison..

Another pic one of the local Vortex guys took, lol cough


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#1767483 - 08/19/07 09:03 PM Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE: [Re: LNXGUY]
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now that you have enough fuel, time to add nitrous oxide \:\)
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