#1612421 - 07/05/07 05:15 PM
Xmas came a bit early... :DYNO VIDEO:
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LNXGUY
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Project is finally starting to come together, piece by piece This was definitely what I was waiting for. Just waiting for the 1.6TD exhaust mani and I can start to figure out where things are going to go...
Garrett VNT20 off of a Audi A6 2.5 V6 TDI (180hp) This turbo is good to about 30psi.
:UPDATE: Still waiting for the fucking god damn exhaust manifold!!!! The shitty thing is, I bought it from a guy that lives about 3hrs north of me. Got lost in the mail, he sent out a new one lastnight. It's a fucking piss off, because I can't do shit without it.. Although I do have a question regarding the IC piping.
Am I am going to be upgrading the IC pipes, but need to figure out if I should go with stainless or alum? Pipe is going to be 2inch, I was hoping to get the local muffler shop to make a few bends for me.. Any advantage of one over the other? I'll hopefully have some more updates for you guys when I get the manifold and can finally fab up the adapter plate!!!
3bar map sensor has been ordered, along with a set of 1.8T axles. Looking for a set of 1.8T or VR6 108mm axles flanges now..
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#1612445 - 07/05/07 05:25 PM
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I am actually laughing as I type this, but yes...yes I am.
I won't bother guessing the power I'll make, cause Euphoric would be in denial But I have a pretty good idea.
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#1612480 - 07/05/07 05:38 PM
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Definitely going to be making more torque then HP Should be fun...
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#1613523 - 07/05/07 10:43 PM
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Based on what others have done, what would be a realistic hp/torque number off the wheels. Feel free to low-ball. I'm growing increasingly interested in diesel stuff.
I am hoping for something around 180whp/350ftlbs.
Jon: I think the Audi's run about 22-23psi stock. I will probably start at around 25psi or so and see how the EMP is, no reason to run more boost if I can't get rid of it...
I took apart the turbo tonight and its mint, barely any soot at all.. I need to re-clock the VNT vanes in order to move the exhaust housing. I need to get the oil feed line vertical (or within 15 degrees of vertical).
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#1613665 - 07/05/07 11:13 PM
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LOL, 14.5@80 mph.
Im jk, it looks sick man.
Man, I'd be lucky to break into the 14's But I'll definitely take it to the track for shits and giggles.
Garrett part number is GT2052V. Housing states the A/R is .42. Exhaust is 1.03? I am sure someone knows what these numbers mean (I admit, I don't)
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#1676858 - 07/23/07 09:47 PM
Re: Xmas came a bit early...
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LNXGUY
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Update in original post.
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#1677177 - 07/23/07 11:07 PM
Re: Xmas came a bit early...
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LOL, 14.5@80 mph.
Im jk, it looks sick man. Man, I'd be lucky to break into the 14's But I'll definitely take it to the track for shits and giggles. Garrett part number is GT2052V. Housing states the A/R is .42. Exhaust is 1.03? I am sure someone knows what these numbers mean (I admit, I don't)
Pretty small but you should be able to get into the 14s
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#1677320 - 07/23/07 11:45 PM
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#1678622 - 07/24/07 12:29 PM
Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE:
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Scargoes: You are correct, identical vnt mechanism as found in the VNT25 used on the CSX-VNT. Most of the new variable vane turbo's found now are Holset's. But they require a big displacement engine to make use of them, I dunno if I could even spin one up with my 1.9 litres of fury Jon: Is stainless cheaper then aluminum? I'll see if my local shop can get some at a decent price, its such a pain in the ass trying to mock up stuff with the engine still being in the car, with the original turbo still on it.. I'll have to get a mini DP made up and just take it to the shop when its running for them to finish up the rest... I was even thinking of a generic Ebay IC kit. The IC pipes on the TDI are a huge restriction, and obviously there isn't a kit I can just drop in :EDIT: I need to find a dyno in Toronto that can pick up rpm from my cam sprocket. I'd like to see where the car is with just injectors/chip before I throw more stuff on it. Jon, any idea's?
Be careful with ebay ic piping "kits" they weld like absolute ass on a plate with no shielding gas, and the silicone couplers aren't always silicone.
If you do a moderate increase in price, you'll find actually polished piping in aluminum, no a polish look coating like the ebay stuff.
I'm very excited to see how this works out for you.
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#1678939 - 07/24/07 01:35 PM
Re: Xmas came a bit early... :UPDATE:
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Ian, thanks for the info. I have found a local guy that should be able to do up some IC piping for me. If the price is right, I'll pick up a GodSpeed core and just do a front mount. I have also talked to my tuner, who will be getting a custom map done for my car once I give him all the specs. Apparently people in Germany have nothing better to do
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#1681503 - 07/25/07 01:18 AM
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What the fuck? I do this every day, and use only the top quality materials, and my stainless costs more than my aluminum, period. When you finish off a 230cf tank of argon in two days, let me know.
Your typical 304/308ss is resistant to corrosion, but most welders don't know how to properly weld enough to prevent it. Aluminum simply won't, will save a ton of weight, and I typically see several degrees cooler IAT's by using aluminum, with no coating, wrapping, or anything like that.
The only SS that is as cheap as aluminum is 409, which is what toyota and honda use for their stock exhausts: it surface rusts but is very strong due to its high carbon steel content,and welds best with a 308l rod.
Back to the original poster, how does the tuning think work on small diesels? My only experience is with the duramax/6.0 and 7.3 powerstroke, and cummins. What sort of interface can the end user use, and what are the main parameters you are changing? Obviously a lot to do with fuel pressure.
Also if there are a few specific bends you need and I have them lying around, let me know the size and I'll send them to you on me. I'm interested to see how this comes out.
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#1681894 - 07/25/07 07:13 AM
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Back to the original poster, how does the tuning think work on small diesels? My only experience is with the duramax/6.0 and 7.3 powerstroke, and cummins. What sort of interface can the end user use, and what are the main parameters you are changing? Obviously a lot to do with fuel pressure.
Also if there are a few specific bends you need and I have them lying around, let me know the size and I'll send them to you on me. I'm interested to see how this comes out.
Ian
Ian, I appreciate the offer. I plan on replacing the stock IC piping with 2inch tubing, hopefully the guy I have planned to weld this stuff up for me does alum
From what I've gathered in a proper tune on these cars there are about 15 different maps that need altering. Timing, injection quantity, boost etc are the 3 main factors. I am pretty sure the fuel pressure is directly related to rpm (from what I have read) I don't think it's something that can be changed with the map, as it's completely mechanical. (Opening pressures, etc)
This is the pump that the most of the VW diesel's untilized until the release of the Pumpe Duse in '04 to the US market..
http://www.cs.rochester.edu/u/jag/vw/engine/fi/injpump.html Unfortunately no one has come up with a plug and play solution like they have for the trucks. You can do a lot more with a common rail setup like the trucks have compared to what I am dealing with. The only thing a tuning box is good for on a TDI is fooling the ECU so that it dumps more fuel. Does not touch the boost level at all, sure you'll get maybe 1-2psi more, but it's pretty much an expensive potentiometer.
I appreciate the feedback guys, keep it coming.
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#1685288 - 07/25/07 09:53 PM
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Thanks man Got the housing to where I want it.. Now I just need to either alter the original actuator bracket or make a new one. I am also boring a blown vnt15 so I can make sure I get as close to stock dimensions as possible. I don't wanna go to install this thing and have it not fit cause that would really suck.
Now to make a decision between the stock SMIC, or a FMIC.
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#1686366 - 07/26/07 06:48 AM
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tmic FTMFW! I've got an charge air cooler that would work....it has 1200sqin of surface area. lol ic-hood
Then I would have an excuse to run a hood scoop! I want to pick up a FMIC that has both outlets on the same side. There are also upgraded smic's available (Boostfactor, TyrolSport) but the price is pretty steep...
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#1686479 - 07/26/07 08:14 AM
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do you have to do anyhting to the injection pump or can it feed enough fuel in stock forum? i am intersted to see how this goes as well. I have a mechanical head 1.6TD ready for my Suzuki samurai (if i ever get off my ass and finish the truck) Do you know of anyone that has run that turbo on a 1.6?
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#1686538 - 07/26/07 08:39 AM
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If I can find a used 11mm pump (Off the auto cars) for a good price I'll probably pick that up. If not, maybe a 11mm plunger and cam plate.. I am going to be running a 3-5psi inline fuel pump near the tank. The 99.5-03 cars with the VE pump don't have lift pumps like the '04+ cars do. They'll sometime see powerloss at high rpm because of lack of fuel. Also makes it a bit easier on the pump...
I don't know of anyone that has put a vnt20 on a 1.6. 1.6's don't use a vnt turbo stock. So making a vnt work properly would be a task.
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#1687018 - 07/26/07 11:10 AM
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back when I bought my stuff stainless was quite a bit cheaper than aluminum around here and LNX lives in my area. maybe its diff in Cali or things have changed since then. I dunno. That is something LNX will have to look into for himself. Not to mention stainless piping was way easier to find locally.
Once you start buying in bulk and find the right suppliers its different. Either way, there is no reason to use heavier stainless when you can use aluminum for a similar price.
If you have the cash, go FMIC for sure.
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#1687103 - 07/26/07 11:32 AM
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back when I bought my stuff stainless was quite a bit cheaper than aluminum around here and LNX lives in my area. maybe its diff in Cali or things have changed since then. I dunno. That is something LNX will have to look into for himself. Not to mention stainless piping was way easier to find locally. Once you start buying in bulk and find the right suppliers its different. Either way, there is no reason to use heavier stainless when you can use aluminum for a similar price. If you have the cash, go FMIC for sure. Ian you are comparing buying in bulk to someone buy 4-6 180 bends for some ic piping...
All Im saying is when I bought my stuff(not in bulk) around here stainless was much cheaper and way easier to come by.
things might have changed since then(pricing wise) but im sure stainless is still much easier to get.
Of course aluminum is the most optimal but its not like if he goes with stainless he will be putting himself way behind.
weight savings arent much... If he was running some sts setup with 30 ft of piping then I could see the savings being worthwhile.
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#1687125 - 07/26/07 11:39 AM
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Maybe I'll have to buy all my piping directly from Ian!!! lol
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#1688111 - 07/26/07 02:34 PM
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Guys, any thoughts on this?
I would like to keep both the inlet and outlet on the same side to minimize the length of tubing and also cause the intake manifold connection is on the passenger side...
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#1694494 - 07/28/07 01:55 PM
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FMIC has been ordered
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#1703367 - 07/31/07 12:20 PM
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There is now a 11mm injection pump sitting in my trunk.. Decided to go with this over the PD150 intake manifold. Price was about the same, from this alone on a stock car you'll see 20HP/40ftlbs. This is really going to help get all that fuel to the boost I plan on running.. EGT/Oil/Boost gauges are on their way, with all the senders, etc.. Got a pretty decent deal..
1.8T axles should be here soon, I just need some 108mm tranny flanges and I can get those installed. Items that still need to be done are: Adapter from exhaust manifold to turbo, IC piping, downpipe, oil feed line. Once I get the FMIC, I am going to mock it up, make all the mounting tabs and do whatever trimming I have to do to the bumper and rebar to get it to fit. I might also install the 11mm injection pump before hand.
[insert Jaws music here)
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#1747143 - 08/13/07 01:41 PM
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Sorry for the lack of updates guys, the guy who was supposed to be fabricating some stuff for me has been a flake. Anyhow, for some more interesting news, I'll be getting on a dyno this weekend at the VAGCRAFT show in Brampton, On. Any thoughts on the numbers I'll make? I installed a 11mm pump last weekend, which has helped the upper rpms and smokes like a fucking freight train.
New parts on the work bench:
FMIC 1.8T axles Boost,oil and EGT gauges.
Parts I am still waiting for:
108mm flanges R32 airbox with inlet and snorkel map sensor flange adapter for intercooler pipe
I'll also get video of it on the dyno (Its a Dynapack) I might even make some changes so it smokes out the entire fucking place
My guess.
130HP/250ftlbs.
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#1747427 - 08/13/07 02:38 PM
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I thought smoke is wasted fuel?
It is.. I don't have enough boost to take advantage of all the extra fuel that the 11mm pump is giving me..
The smoke would just be for show, it raises EGT's and basically wastes fuel. I am getting it turned down on Thursday. I'd rather have a bit of smoke to make sure that I am a bit overfueled, then underfueled.
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#1748051 - 08/13/07 05:22 PM
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I want to pick up a FMIC that has both outlets on the same side. I know the new gen Saab 900 and 9-3 (97-03) had fmic with inlet and outlet on the same side (except the viggen). A lot of guys upgraded to get better cooling, so you might be able to find them cheap.
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#1749705 - 08/14/07 07:37 AM
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Thanks again Ian.. I am going to be running about 28psi through that XSPower IC. Hopefully with the low amount of cfm that a tdi pushes, it will handle it with ease.
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#1765365 - 08/18/07 10:06 PM
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Well, got dyno'd at VAGKRAFT with my current setup.
11mm pump Sprint 502's Technine Stg II
I don't think the technician knew what the fuck he was doing, instead of running through the gears, he decided to start off in 4th, with the car under load. And you wonder why the fucking CLUTCH WAS SLIPPING!?!?! The guy stalled it about 3 times.. After finally telling him to stop and to roll into the throttle, I got in 2-3 good runs. I have the sheet and video evidence I was hoping for 130hp/250ftlbs and I got exactly that.....at the wheel.
With a correction rate of 16%, I'm seeing 151hp/291ftlbs at the crank. I'll get the dyno lot scanned and uploaded tomorrow. I think the torque value is a bit high, but the plot is nice and smooth.. So I dunno.. HP is exactly what I thought it was going to be, and expected from a setup like this...
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#1765586 - 08/19/07 12:27 AM
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VAGCRAFT..
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#1765873 - 08/19/07 07:31 AM
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LNXGUY
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I can't believe nobody remembered to say it....
CRUSH BENT PIPES!
Nice numbers. How's it feel, out in the real world?
I'll need some crush bent pipes lol. Car feels great out on the road, lots of passing power, to bad 1st and 2nd gear weren't a bit longer, 1st gear gets me to about 15mph if I am lucky.. If I can find a decent used O2A (vr6 tranny), I'll just swap out the stock 5th for a TDI 5th gear and I should be all set. Better acceleration across the board, without losing any highway mileage.
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#1767139 - 08/19/07 06:47 PM
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Yeah, it drops off pretty quick, same with the hp curve.. I dunno if the clutch slipped, and he let off and got back onto it, but you wouldn't think it would drop off like that. I wish I captured the logs in VAGCOM, then I would have seen all the boost levels, throttle position etc.. Then maybe I could explain that weirdness..
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#1767431 - 08/19/07 08:38 PM
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We'll get the Jetta sedan and wagon in the fall with the 2.0 Common Rail engine, I dunno when they are going to put it in the Rabbit.. It's going to be 100% completely different then any diesel you have driven. I cannot wait to take one of those badboys out for a spin... 140hp/236ftlbs. A much needed improvement.
As far as tuning is concerned, that remap was just for my Sprint 502 injectors. Big turbo is still sitting on the bench, along with the FMIC and loads of other shit that needs to go in. I'll be getting a custom tune once everything is in, I'll hopefully be able to get on the dyno and get some numbers for comparison..
Another pic one of the local Vortex guys took, lol cough
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#1767483 - 08/19/07 09:03 PM
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now that you have enough fuel, time to add nitrous oxide
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#1767664 - 08/19/07 10:02 PM
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LNXGUY
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now that you have enough fuel, time to add nitrous oxide
Propane before Nitrous
AMGSIR has the right idea!
Edited by LNXGUY (08/19/07 10:03 PM)
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#1768628 - 08/20/07 07:26 AM
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Vids to come.. I just need to edit them a bit..
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#1779985 - 08/22/07 09:14 PM
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#1780821 - 08/23/07 01:29 AM
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