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#1476380 - 05/25/07 08:29 AM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: PurduinaSi]
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Originally Posted By: PurduinaSi
No, the vinegar will remove the etching too, but the wax at the same time, aka you're gonna have to re-wax that shizznick!


Oh, ok. Not a problem. It's only the trunk and top of the wing..

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#1484393 - 05/28/07 01:47 PM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: 2000CivicStud]
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Lookin good! Get a direct-sunlight picture so we can all see how you really did!

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This was mid afternoon...



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#1484685 - 05/28/07 03:27 PM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: SiAdam]
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Looks good. But still waiting on that direct sunlight... Hehe

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#1484959 - 05/28/07 05:59 PM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: 2000CivicStud]
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Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
Looks good. But still waiting on that direct sunlight... Hehe

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It was direct....mid afternoon...

Car just looks that good..lol..

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#1485295 - 05/28/07 08:14 PM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: SiAdam]
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Im talking close up of the paint, with the sun in the reflection.

-Matt

But yea, it does look good!
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#1517100 - 06/07/07 01:30 AM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: 2000CivicStud]
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Autopia is having a father's day sale on a 7424 kit. (20% off)
http://www.autopia-carcare.com/son-sfxpol-kit.html

Should I jump on this kit of go ahead and get the auto geek one?

What ya think Matt?

Thanks!
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#1517404 - 06/07/07 07:56 AM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: SD91RS]
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Id hit that deal. Not a bad price at all. Those are good pads too. Now just get yourself some some good polishes and waxes and youll be good to go. (read this thread for my suggestions).

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#1517571 - 06/07/07 09:26 AM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: SD91RS]
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Autopia is having a father's day sale on a 7424 kit. (20% off)
http://www.autopia-carcare.com/son-sfxpol-kit.html

Should I jump on this kit of go ahead and get the auto geek one?

What ya think Matt?

Thanks!


The autogeek kit I purchased came w/more pads/cleaner/conditioner and was 199.

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#1517655 - 06/07/07 10:01 AM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: SiAdam]
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with 20% off, that would be $170
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#1518124 - 06/07/07 12:08 PM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: PurduinaSi]
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Originally Posted By: PurduinaSi
with 20% off, that would be $170



True true. Still though w/the extra pads,sprays/etc for 20 bucks more autogeek is the better buy..

IMHO though...

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#1518509 - 06/07/07 01:53 PM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: SiAdam]
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I've had both and I personally like the autopia pads better, and you only need 3.
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#1518630 - 06/07/07 02:16 PM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: PurduinaSi]
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Autopia also is having a clearance on Sonus pads, as well as a few other products, incase you wanted to check them out...
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#1518740 - 06/07/07 02:56 PM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: SD91RS]
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15% off ANY product \:\)
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#1519572 - 06/07/07 07:39 PM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: PurduinaSi]
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Yeah that too. \:\)
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#1523289 - 06/08/07 08:04 PM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: SD91RS]
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Ok I went ahead and ordered Autopia's kit today... Now I need to figure out what I should buy/use for detailing. I'll be using the kit on 3 cars: My Firehawk (Black) and Civic (Milano Red) as well as my grandparent's Escalade. (Pearl white)

Right now the detailing products I have are:
Meg's Deep Crystal System Paint Cleaner
Meg's Deep Crystal System Polish
Meg's NXT Liquid wax
Meg's Gold Class car wash

I know I need a Carnuba wax and was going to order the PS1 wax from autopia, since I have a 15% off coupon.
Anything else I need in terms of products?

Cheers

EDIT: I also have some Zaino Polish (z2) and swirl remover (z5) lying around the house that I forgot about.
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#1528237 - 06/10/07 07:21 PM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: SiAdam]
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Originally Posted By: PurduinaSi
No, the vinegar will remove the etching too, but the wax at the same time, aka you're gonna have to re-wax that shizznick!


Oh, ok. Not a problem. It's only the trunk and top of the wing..



I tried that on my neighbors truck...only a yr or 2 old ford 150...paint is in great shape..except on the hood..it has the same etching like my trunk & wing..

We both rubbed forever trying to get it off...NOTHING. Used distilled vinager and a microfiber towl...

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#1530782 - 06/11/07 01:25 PM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: SiAdam]
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More posts.

I am going to order the following from autogeek.net

Poorboys SSR3
Poorboys SSR2.5
Poorboys SSR1

Also looking for a good carnuba to follow up the sealant.

So far I should have the following:
Poorboy Polish
Meg. Prof. Glaze
Meg. NXT Sealant.
Carnuba??

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#1530900 - 06/11/07 01:50 PM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: SiAdam]
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Check out PS1 wax from autopia. I think Purdina was the one who posted about it. I just ordered some.

My process will be something like:
Sonus Paintwork Cleanser
Zaino Polish (Z2)
Meg's NXT wax
PS1 Carnuba


When I start detailing I'll make sure to take before and after pics for reference.

Adam, if you can let me know how you like the Poorboys stuff, I may try some of that in the future.
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#1531589 - 06/11/07 04:30 PM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: SD91RS]
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http://autogeek.net/klashiggloss.html

Then...

http://autogeek.net/p2concarwax.html
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#1534253 - 06/12/07 11:24 AM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: PurduinaSi]
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Oh, and for 10% off at Autogeek, use the coupon code "clubmember"

But just keep that between us \:\)
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#1561846 - 06/20/07 01:28 AM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: PurduinaSi]
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Well I finally got around to trying out my Porter Cable on the trunk of my Civic and came to the conclusion that I need a heavier swirl remover. lol

I initially used Sonus Paintwork Cleanser about 2-3 times on the area, trying to get rid of most of the swirls (which it did) Now all that's left are the deeper ones. \:\(

I followed it up with some NXT then a light coat of P21S, just to see how it turns out.

Any recomendations of a swirl remover? I have some Zaino Z5 swirl remover, but I'm sure sure if it is aggressive enough to handle the swirls. Matt mentioned Poor Boys 2.5 (I might even go with 3) What ya think Purdina?....Anyone?...Bueller?

EDIT: No pics, left the digi cam in SD. \:\( Cell Phone pics FTL
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#1561917 - 06/20/07 02:45 AM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: SD91RS]
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I've detailed 5 black cars in the past week. For each car, I've used Meguairs professional Heavy cut cleaner ( here ) followed with Sonus SFX-2 Swirl remover ( here ). A few of the cars were in horrible condition, and all 5 of them came out looking brand new. The finished results were amazing, and the owners were extremely satisfied (as was I). Unfortunately, since I dont have a camera, i dont have any pics, but I asked the owners to take a few, and hopefully i'll have some soon. Just be sure that if you use the heavy cut cleaner, that you follow up with a glaze, like the #3 ( here ), in order to bring the gloss back.


Edit: Let it be noted that you don't always need to use the heavy cut - i just use that because I'm detailing cars that most likely have never been detailed before and have many imperfections in the paint. There is also a medium and light cut cleaner that will also work well depending on the job. Also, meg's #7 (show car glaze) also works well. I'm still trying to figure out which i like better, 3 or 7.
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#1561936 - 06/20/07 03:17 AM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: PurduinaSi]
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Well, my Civic is Milano Red, and looks like it's never really been detailed, other than car washes. \:\( So I need something that can give me a good base to start with.

I think I'll go pick up some medium cut cleaner tomorrow. I'm not sure if the Zaino (z5) is aggressive enough of a compound. I'd rather work my way up to a heavy than start there if I didn't need to. Like I said I used the Paintwork Cleanser which according to Autopia is a ultrafine compound.
Should I stick with the NXT as my glaze? I was thinking about picking up some Klasse all in one or the Klasse High Gloss sealant glaze in the future.
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#1562167 - 06/20/07 08:46 AM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: PurduinaSi]
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Originally Posted By: PurduinaSi
Also, meg's #7 (show car glaze) also works well. I'm still trying to figure out which i like better, 3 or 7.


I absolutely HATE using Meg's #7. It seems like it is so much work to put that damned glaze onto the car, and take off is no easier. Mother's and Meguiar's are good at making consumer products, and they make them well. However, for the avid detailer, I have found that there are numerous other brands which Mothers and Megs cannot even compete with. I love my Poorboy's. The SSR2.5 is a VERY good swirl remover and can get almost all swirls out of dark colored (and light colored, obviously) cars. However, the SSR3 can get what the 2.5 cant, but it is VERY abrasive and WILL dull your paint. So, if you go with the SSR3, you need to follow that up with the SSR2.5 and then the SSR1. The SSR3 gets deeps swirls out by creating a very abrasive surface, and by doing so, it leaves TONS of swirls, which the SSR2.5 can easily get out. So, if you go straight from SSR3, to a carnauba, your car MIGHT look decent from far away, but in direct light, itll look like bucocky.

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#1562323 - 06/20/07 09:40 AM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: 2000CivicStud]
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Really? WTF? I have never had any problems applying it. Are you sure you weren't using too much? Glaze will take a bit longer to work into the paint, but i've had no problems taking it off at all.

I havent tried poorboys yet, so I have no comment, but the combinations I've been using work absolutely great for me.
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#1562766 - 06/20/07 11:22 AM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: PurduinaSi]
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I dont know man. I really feel some products, and that is not one of them.

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#1563547 - 06/20/07 02:20 PM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: 2000CivicStud]
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So... I'll be ok to use the NXT as a glaze followed up by P21S Canuba wax? \:\)
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#1563633 - 06/20/07 02:44 PM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: SD91RS]
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I'm not familiar with the NXT that you're using. Do you have a link? It needs to be a real glaze in order to bring back the glossy look that the abrasives will dull down.

Also, may I suggest a better sealant before using the P21s? It's a great finishing wax, however, it doesn't last very long, so usually I'd suggest using something underneath unless you wax it 2-3+ times a year.
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#1563733 - 06/20/07 03:13 PM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: PurduinaSi]
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Meg's NXT Tech Wax

Well I did use the NXT wax before apply the P21S, I really just did it to try out the products I got. \:\)

So, I think I've got this down...
Scratch remover - something like Sonus SFX-1
Followed by the Paintwork Cleanser
Then a good glaze, such as Klasse Sealant Glaze
P21S Carnuba
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#1563799 - 06/20/07 03:32 PM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: SD91RS]
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I usually use the cleaner (heavy cut or medium cut) first and then the swirl remover after. That klasse sealant glaze is awesome stuff - i recommended it earlier in the thread. That will work as both your glaze and a better sealant than the P21S so you have some better long term protection on your paint. I highly suggest it.

As for the NXT wax, its just a wax, and wont really create a gloss look after a cleaner.

Also, again keep this between us, but use the coupon code "autopia" for a discount of 10% savings on everything on autopia's site. So basically, you can get 10% off at all times on stuff from autopia or autogeek. They gave me the code since I ordered a good amount of stuff from them in the past month.
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#1564537 - 06/20/07 06:39 PM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: PurduinaSi]
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Cool, thanks man!

This 10% code was in the detailing CD that was sent with my order. ACCGTD
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#1564569 - 06/20/07 06:50 PM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: SD91RS]
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Damn good info here ^^.

I will be grabbing some poor boy's I do beleive here soon. Injured my foot and had to have surgery..so I am on recoup mode for the next week..set me back a little...

I'll be sure to post up my experience's w/the Poorboy and my detailing methods as well..

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#1564594 - 06/20/07 07:01 PM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: SiAdam]
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Be sure to, I'm thinking I'm going to go the Sonus and Klasse route for my detailing supplies. I'd like to be able to compare and contrast the 2 brands with ya. \:\)
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#1564718 - 06/20/07 07:47 PM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: SD91RS]
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I just ordered a backup yellow (aggressive) pad, the big jug of klasse polish/sealant, 1 gallon of 303 aerospace protectant, some sonus clay bar lubricant, and a few other minor things. These 10% discounts really help!!

I'm thinking of ordering that awesome little vacuum on the autogeek site here soon - that thing looks awesome! I've been using my moms really nice indoor vacuum with her attachments for detailing. It works fine for vacuuming a car once in a while, but for daily use it absolutely sucks, is too big, and shes gonna kill me if I break it. I also need something for my garage when I get back to my house at school.
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#1564775 - 06/20/07 08:08 PM Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions [Re: PurduinaSi]
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Ya know- Im FINALLY glad to see some participation in this forum. I think Im going to make this into a sticky thread for detailing related discussion.

Bobby-

Ive been eyeing the vacuum for the longest time myself, I just have yet to pull the trigger on it. Oh well, a time will come. Also, Adam- Be sure if you order the SSR3, to get the 2.5 and the 1 along with it. You have to gradually work your way back down or else youll have a fair amount of microswirling left in your finish. Although it will be invisible to an untrained eye, well, you get the point.

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