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10/03/16 04:46 PM

What's a good starting point for running a "tiny" ultra

50km coming up in 5 months.

It seems like with the vert involved in most these events it's a trail-shuffle, with flat land runs.
If I target 7 hours, that's mid-pack for this event. I'm only ever a mid-packer in any event, so that seems feasible.

So am I going to benefit more from:
lengthening trail runs (6-7mph pace)
or just getting the distance (i.e low/slow and get the miles)

i.e should I be running further, or hiking faster

schtickaz.ai

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10/03/16 05:03 PM

Re: What's a good starting point for running a "tiny" ultra

in for the bonk and/or injury

also race the turkey trots from wave 1 [stand on the line, 7" shorts and wear a headband] if you want to move up from midpack. Throw some elbows leaning into the turns

Sir Ironpool

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10/04/16 01:41 AM

Re: What's a good starting point for running a "tiny" ultra

I think the most important thing is slowly ramping up your mileage to the point where you can comfortably do back to back longish runs (in the 12-18 mile range). Those efforts should be easy but on similar trails as the race itself. The back to back part is where you're body will get used to moving even when things start to get uncomfortable. The rest of your weekly runs can be however you want them. Hell...hiking definitely counts as long as you're moving like you mean it. $\:D$

Having a marathon under your belt would be ideal, but not required.

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10/04/16 11:54 AM

Re: What's a good starting point for running a "tiny" ultra

I've done back to back hikes(backpacking) in the 20 mile range.
Hikes were 4-5k each day of mountainous terrain (4-7k, on volcano) rated as difficult

Planned run is 6k of non-mountainous(starts nearish sea level). Terrain should be easier. Still moderate.

I definitely used vitamin I at night and in the morning along with LOTS of coffee. I was moving at ~4mph combined(faster second day), overall pace was more like 2.5 because I stopped for making said coffee and navigation.

What you're describing sounds pretty doable, presuming a 4-5mph pace on moderate terrain is "hard enough"

Sir Ironpool

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10/04/16 12:10 PM

Re: What's a good starting point for running a "tiny" ultra

What race? One of the Rainshadow ones?

If your goal is just to finish, then I would try and find your "run all day" pace. Hike the uphills, run the flats and downhills...maybe shoot for an 11-12 minute pace and see how you feel. That's about my average pace for an effort with equal parts hiking and running. If you want to run the downhills hard then you need to train for them. Blown quads will derail your race faster than anything else. Also start looking at nutrition and try it out in training. You won't need much, but if you're shooting for 7 hours, that's a long time out on the trail and bonking will make it way less fun if you end up needing to slog through the last 10 miles. Even with blown quads you can hike happy if you have fuel.

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10/04/16 12:26 PM

Re: What's a good starting point for running a "tiny" ultra

Yeah, his Gorge Waterfalls 50k.

http://www.rainshadowrunning.com/gorge-waterfalls-50k.html

I'm pretty comfortable with 15 minute as "all-day" pace.
Over moderate terrain (100ft/mile and roots)
6 miles @ 15min: no phasing, stroll in the park
9 miles @ 9 min(moving), 10 with nav: Decent run effort

I'd guess that a 13 minute mile would be about as hard as my century effort. Very do-able, but happy to be done by 6-7 hours.

That hardest part is finding pure time to go spend 4-6 hours without the family, especially back to back days. I have a trail half in 4 weeks, so maybe I'll just do a run the day after.

I'm a little less than worried about quads coming from backpacking and cycling

Sir Ironpool

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10/04/16 03:49 PM

Re: What's a good starting point for running a "tiny" ultra

Nice...I've heard amazing things about all of his races. Maybe I can talk the wife into letting me come up and run it.

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10/04/16 05:08 PM

Re: What's a good starting point for running a "tiny" ultra

Unfortunately the long option (100k) is a week earlier, not just the day before.

It's lottery, I'm not sure how crowded though. He's got a few races a couple weeks in the season/on the dry side that aren't as likely to sell out too...

Also on my lottery calendar next year:
http://www.redmondcyclingclub.org/RAMROD/RAMROD_course_information.html

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10/12/16 05:54 PM

Re: What's a good starting point for running a "tiny" ultra

Gorge Waterfalls Lottery Update and Details

We've changed the date range for the Gorge Waterfalls 50k lottery registration to have it take place after we've announced the Gorge Waterfalls 100k lottery results. We did this so folks who are unlucky and are not picked for the 100k can still try to enter the 50k lottery.

The dates for the 100k lottery are:
Registration opens Oct 15th
Registration closes Oct 25th
The lottery itself will take place on Oct 26th or 27th and if selected your card will be charged then,

The dates for the 50k lottery are:
Registration opens Nov 1st
Registration closes Nov 10th
The lottery itself will take place on Nov 11th and if selected your card will be charged then

schtickaz.ai

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10/12/16 06:37 PM

Re: What's a good starting point for running a "tiny" ultra

100k sounds super wise to sign up for :p

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10/31/16 10:52 AM

Re: What's a good starting point for running a "tiny" ultra

Tomorrow it happens.

schtickaz.ai

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10/31/16 12:23 PM

Re: What's a good starting point for running a "tiny" ultra

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10/31/16 12:41 PM

Re: What's a good starting point for running a "tiny" ultra

Oh jeez, again
26.2 on the road with 3000 type A trying to hit a PR on the streets of man jose
vs
31 on the trails with a group of 300 dirty hippie going past 15 waterfalls in the rain forest

Yeah, ultras scary tho.

schtickaz.ai

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10/31/16 12:56 PM

Re: What's a good starting point for running a "tiny" ultra

what debilitaing hip injury

[SF doe, and like 30k of us]

Design

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10/31/16 02:30 PM

Re: What's a good starting point for running a "tiny" ultra

Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta

Well at least you're living up to your user name.

Seriously though, good luck!

schtickaz.ai

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10/31/16 02:47 PM

Re: What's a good starting point for running a "tiny" ultra

Oh and since Donnie doesn't post here he says your body only knows time on yer feet or something, pace or mileage are meaningless. If you want to run for 4-5 hrs you aren't going to get there by running 1-2 (unless maybe you want to go my injured route, I guess)

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10/31/16 02:52 PM

Re: What's a good starting point for running a "tiny" ultra

So like 10 hours of power hiking means I'm good right?

schtickaz.ai

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10/31/16 03:00 PM

Re: What's a good starting point for running a "tiny" ultra

I dunno, if you start busting out 9:00/miles or doing any downhill running it might be a problem unless you train that way. I was careful running downhill in SF for instance, I assumed that would bite me in the ass in the later miles

Sir Ironpool

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10/31/16 07:11 PM

Re: What's a good starting point for running a "tiny" ultra

Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta

You're gonna love it dirty. This was my view when I woke up in the back of Flex and hour after finishing my hundo yesterday. Totally your kinda peeps, lol.

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11/01/16 09:06 AM

Re: What's a good starting point for running a "tiny" ultra

I'm not sure if I'm complimented or insulted..
Who am I fucking kidding.

Anyhow, that dude is a bit glam:
that's a newer truck
stove should be white gas instead of propane for less waste
yeti cooler is yuppie/bro AF

You were hinting you might sign up, still thinking about it?

Sir Ironpool

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11/01/16 11:26 AM

Re: What's a good starting point for running a "tiny" ultra

I would love to, but it falls right between Way Too Cool 50k and Boston, which both require travel (and money) so a flight to Portland just ain't in the cards. It's definitely a bucket list item though!

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12/12/16 12:39 PM

Re: What's a good starting point for running a "tiny" ultra

SO they slid the weekend, but I ended up not getting pulled.

Looking increasingly unlikely I'll fit an ultra in with the season ramping up right as second kiddo is born.

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03/06/17 06:06 PM

Re: What's a good starting point for running a "tiny" ultra

So I lost out on the Waterfalls lottery...

But this one is still available. Could do the non ultra option (25km) as good practice

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03/06/17 06:08 PM

Re: What's a good starting point for running a "tiny" ultra

4,500'
15mi

Other option is die on the 50km
31 miles
9,500'

In the desert

Sir Ironpool

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03/06/17 06:53 PM

Re: What's a good starting point for running a "tiny" ultra

That's some good vert for a 25k!

But I say go for broke and do the 50k. $\:D$

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06/29/18 11:23 AM

Re: What's a good starting point for running a "tiny" ultra

Update?

So I'm trying to talk myself into(or out of) a new race.

105k

14,000' vert
6 weeks out

I've been sort of lazily doing 30-ish miles week most weeks (once a month I seem to get busy and end up doing 20 miles). I feel strong with only a minor irritation.

This race scares me (as does any ultr) and it calls itself hard. I just don't even know how to test if I'm ready. Sign up and see if I finish? lol?

Sir Ironpool

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06/29/18 03:38 PM

Re: What's a good starting point for running a "tiny" ultra

My first 100k had similar vert, and it was really, really tough...tougher I thought than my first hundo at Leadville. The distance is nice because you know you won�t have to go through the night, but it will be a long-ass day. If you can walk/hike fast when running is no longer possible, you should be good to go.