Impulsive
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03/18/10 12:48 PM
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18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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So I'm struggling a bit here making some choice. I'm looking for a Matte Black/Gunmetel wheel to contrast with my red car. I do not want anything with chrome lips, stripes, non symetrical spokes etc. I'm not going for a baller, extreme or even a fancy look. Simple, but just not stock. Something with a more aggressive offset and potentially shedding a few pounds.
Most people say to go with 19's as they tend to look better, but dropping an extra $1200 (shipping, TPMS, tires) for 1" seems a bit much, specially when you are likely adding weight over stock.
I'm also having bad luck with buying some used G35 Coupe 19" Rays. 370Z rims are going for a bit much. Most people selling are offering tires too, but since I'm AWD, I can't use their staggered setups for tires or they don't come with TPMS. No one wants to ship, especially to Canada.
Anyways, being that I already have 18's and TPMS, I was thinking of a few 18's. Only the Konig's and OZ wheels are lighter than stock IIRC. TSW's and Motegi's are about he same weight (estimating since they are not published).
I've also thought about powdercoating the 35th anniversary 350Z wheels - but I don't know if black 5 spokes would look that good.
TSW Donningtons:
TSW Willow Bronze
Motegi MR118
OZ Ultraleggera (a good bit more expensive, but only 18 pounds)
Konig Lace might be the exception on having two-tone (20 lbs)
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NOHC
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/18/10 02:47 PM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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I kinda dig the 350z wheels.
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GB
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/18/10 03:02 PM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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I love the style of the first wheel but the black SUCKS and looks cheap as fuck. IMO get something bronze.
If you can get the first wheels in bronze do that...
If not... get the TSW willow IMO. Not as good looking as the first wheel but the color looks great and I enjoy the lip
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FCobra94
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/18/10 03:13 PM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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Those Willows look terrible IMO.
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Impulsive
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/18/10 03:14 PM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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I'd love BBS LM's, but at 1k/each or so, they are not cheap.
I love the color of the Willows, the style is a bit meh. The TSW's blacks look good in pics IMO.
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GB
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/18/10 06:05 PM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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Yeah in pics not on cars. On the cars they are too black, and look cheap as fuck. Its like the homo that spray bombs his stock wheels or some shit and the wheels end up looking like hubcaps fucked a decent looking wheel and produced the matte black, cheap looking offspring.
All IMO of course.
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Impulsive
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/18/10 06:52 PM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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Yeah, black wheel can have that effect, but I'm just digging black lately. That white G coupe looks hot IMO. On a red car, with the odd chrome piece, tint and a midnight grill, black seems well suited instead of introducing yet another color to the mix.
I'm not going for the oversized wheel, dropped look, but I like the contrast.
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GB
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/18/10 06:57 PM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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What you're missing here though is Gloss vs Matte.
Gloss looks great, matte does NOT.
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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Do the wheels have to be black? I say tsw or motegi in silver. Black rims on quasi-luxo cars *SCREAM* "I was riced-the-fuck-out 10 years ago, and now I have a real job so I can afford rims that look like the steelies I used to tuck under my body kit!"
Your mileage may vary, but that's my experience/impression. I know some cool people rock black rims, but in my experience they're outnumbered by the idiots/ricers.
*looks in driveway at 16" oem wheels* *attaches grain of salt to post*
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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I think black rims are meant to and do look good on some tuner cars, aka wrx, evo, etc...but on a luxobarge like the G35 they just won't look right.
Oh and powdercoating the 350z's wheels black would be the riciest idea ever. Sorry but I am really anal about OEM wheels being used on other cars. Painting them does not make it better.
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Impulsive
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/18/10 10:21 PM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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I knew black would be polarizing, but I like it. I don't see how it's ricey to have a wheel that isn't the same bland silver as 99% of cars out there. The people here who have black rims have gaudy Zinik shit loaded with shiney fake rivets and shiney accents and they are too busy.
I like this:
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cacasesi
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/18/10 10:36 PM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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I'm really diggin Audi RS4 wheels on sedans. And there's some decent replicas out there...
http://www.amazon.com/AUDI-GUNMETAL-RS4-WHEELS-RIMS/dp/B0033Z9NL6
There's a factory gunmetal as well. My neighbor has them on his red RS4. It's pretty hot.
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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Holy fuck yes. There's an a3 that goes to my gym that has those, and as much as I hate giant wheels on base-model-ish cars, I want to love that vehicle with every part of my body.
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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Shedding lb's?
but with....
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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I think they look better in silver, but yeah those are hawt, and super motherfucking light (at least in the sizes that fit my car).
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Impulsive
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/19/10 07:56 AM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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Enkei RPF1's look like cheap tuner wheels to me. Plus, the thick lip and short spokes make wheels look smaller than they are. If i go the 18" route with Enkei's, I'd likely go with:
I like the RS-4 style wheels and they look great on a G, but the only ones i can find are Enkei's as well:
No one like the Konig Lace?
Axis makes an awesome rim (Angle), but it's only in a 20" size.
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FCobra94
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/19/10 09:00 AM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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That would be interesting to see on your car
I like these too:
Do you have a story on those? (painted, powder coated, etc.)
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Impulsive
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/19/10 09:33 AM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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Powdercoated IIRC.
I won't go time attack style. I think you need to be lowered more than I'm willing to go for that to even work.
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Chris92Sc2
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/19/10 01:34 PM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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These aren't too bad. Definately look alot better in person and with a 30 offset they start to concave a little. $175 apiece for 18x8
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Impulsive
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/19/10 04:04 PM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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They look like ass in that pic, but you are right, nice and concave with a 30 offset - kinda mean. I'd like them in gunmetal over bronze, but they only come in 43 offset in GM.
Does red/bronze really go over well?
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Chris92Sc2
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/19/10 04:28 PM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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Granted, this is a 15 offset on a 9.5 wide.
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Impulsive
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/19/10 04:40 PM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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Yeah, a 30 offset would be the max for me. Not sold on bronze yet though.
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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GTR wheels actually look ok on it, but I still would not do that. Like I said, I'm just abnormally anal about things like that.
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Impulsive
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/24/10 01:03 PM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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Gunmetal 19" Forged OEM G35 Rays a good choice?
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Impulsive
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/24/10 01:58 PM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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I don't think thats an issue on the sedans (hope). The stockers have less offset (45mm IIRC) and width (7.5") and they aren't too tucked.
IIRC, the Rays are 33 offset and 8.5 wide. The guys calls them black chrome - but they look GM to me.
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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There's nothing wrong with wheels being lost in wheel wells....
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JEFFOS
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/24/10 07:52 PM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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Go with 19's in a simple straight spoke design. Im not that big a fan of dark wheels but if you do get them try not to get black wheels
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Impulsive
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/24/10 09:12 PM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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I am close to buying these in "black chrome", but they are far from black - almost a light gunmetal in pics.
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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My only gripe w/ that setup is that you're putting a prior generation's wheels on a current generation car. People always do that on Mustangs w/ Cobra wheels, really irks me.
If I had your car, i'd find a set of rear 18"s to mount up front and give it a slight drop. That way you get rid of that stupid looking factory stagger where the rear tires have a nice round profile but the front look square as hell. That bothers me every time I see those cars.
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Impulsive
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/25/10 07:52 AM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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Not following you on the front square thing. being AWD, I have to make sure my tires are all the same - though I can still have slightly different wheel widths.
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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I like them impulsive.
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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I am close to buying these in "black chrome", but they are far from black - almost a light gunmetal in pics.
I love those. Out of all the pics posted so far, this one is the winner imho. And your car is red? It will look even better.
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Slow_V6
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(Post Master Sr)
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03/25/10 09:36 AM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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Matte Antique Metallic Bronze:
Im biased though..
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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Not following you on the front square thing. being AWD, I have to make sure my tires are all the same - though I can still have slightly different wheel widths. It's hard to see in pictures. You can kinda see it in these.
I think the front wheels are 7.5" w/ 225/50s and the rear are 8.5" 245/45s
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Impulsive
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/25/10 11:06 PM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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Right, though on AWD models, they are all 7.5" and 225's. But what do you mean by square?
Any wheels I'm looking at will have a pretty aggressive offset compared to stock.
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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I mean the sidewall profile, the way it's dependent on the width of the wheel in relation to the width of the tire. It's like mounting a 225 on a 7" wheel versus a 8" wheel. The way the tire looks changes pretty dramatically depending on the wheel width.
That staggered OEM setup, the front tires have a very square sidewall profile while the rear have a bit more of a stretched/rounded sidewall profile. I prefer the look in the rear. If I had one of these G35/G37 sedans, i'd go out and buy a rear pair of wheels to mount up front, and run the car square (same size all around).
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Impulsive
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/25/10 11:22 PM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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Gotcha.
There are some nice wide, 19x9.5 Privat Reserves at DTD. I have thought of these.
What is really making me mad is that all the local shops have a few really shitty wheels on display (cheapo brands) and then the big ugly truck ones. I can't see any of the ones I want in person or even find a lot of good pics. It's all pretty much order in.
The Konig Lace seem to be some of the best in pics - but I'm not sure if that much mesh would look good. I like the black contrast though.
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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the konig lace are so hideous ew.
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Impulsive
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/26/10 03:26 PM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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Which of the above do you like?
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Why don't you get those stockish ones you posted a few posts up?
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Impulsive
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/26/10 04:52 PM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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The G35 Rays? - They are somewhat tough to find in decent shape and with people willing to ship. The Privat's are on the list.
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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OEM look for the major win imho, but again, grain of salt.
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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Spotch would also like you to look at wheels in the 15" size.
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Impulsive
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/26/10 08:47 PM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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I have a lead on the G37 19's (by Enkei) - but they are heavy compared to the Rays Forged - which are lighter than stock 18's.
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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Spotch would also like you to look at wheels in the 15" size.
Well, they would bring the majority of the rotating mass a lot closer to the center of the wheel....
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JEFFOS
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/27/10 06:30 PM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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I have a lead on the G37 19's (by Enkei) - but they are heavy compared to the Rays Forged - which are lighter than stock 18's.
In all honesty for a daily driver you wont really notice it that much.
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Impulsive
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/27/10 06:42 PM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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I'm sure I wouldn't notice it at all, but if I'm dropping the money, I'd like to get lighter instead of heavier - but looks might trump weight.
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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If I had one of these G35/G37 sedans, i'd go out and buy a rear pair of wheels to mount up front, and run the car square (same size all around).
....and in the process completely fuck up my handling and alignment settings, yey! Unless you have an AWD one or are also planning to retune the suspension and redo the alighment with custom settings, this is a shitty idea. Those cars come staggered from the factory for a reason.
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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If I had one of these G35/G37 sedans, i'd go out and buy a rear pair of wheels to mount up front, and run the car square (same size all around). ....and in the process completely fuck up my handling and alignment settings, yey! Unless you have an AWD one or are also planning to retune the suspension and redo the alighment with custom settings, this is a shitty idea. Those cars come staggered from the factory for a reason. Yea, so that they will understeer horribly when pushed hard to keep n00btastic drivers from hitting solid objects sideways. Pretty much the way all pedestrian cars come tuned from the factory.
lol at "fuck up my... alignment settings". Since when does changing a wheel/tire setup do anything to affect alignment?
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Impulsive
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/28/10 06:50 PM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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They aren't huge understeering pigs. But since I have AWD, I can run the same sizes.
This isn't too bad. Though not being lowered, they might look funny.
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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Yeah those look cool too
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Impulsive
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(Post Master Supreme)
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03/28/10 07:33 PM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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I am wondering if I should bid on some black ones on ebay ($300). Cheap, but I'm not so sure they would look that good.
Fuck it, I bid on them. If I win, I'll run some sticky ass rubber on them and see how it works.
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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If I had one of these G35/G37 sedans, i'd go out and buy a rear pair of wheels to mount up front, and run the car square (same size all around). ....and in the process completely fuck up my handling and alignment settings, yey! Unless you have an AWD one or are also planning to retune the suspension and redo the alighment with custom settings, this is a shitty idea. Those cars come staggered from the factory for a reason. Yea, so that they will understeer horribly when pushed hard to keep n00btastic drivers from hitting solid objects sideways. Pretty much the way all pedestrian cars come tuned from the factory. lol at "fuck up my... alignment settings". Since when does changing a wheel/tire setup do anything to affect alignment?
Actually those are some of the best handling four door cars on the market. Just shows what you know.
Question: What kind of person would run same sizes front and back on a car that was designed to run a staggered setup?
Not a very bright one would be the right answer.
I mean, you can't just be that obsessed with looks, no? You would actually make the car drive worse so you can look better? lol ricer. Anyway, if you honestly can't comprehend why doing what you said might affect handling and alignment, then I'm just gonna have to leave it alone and say WOOOOOOW!!!
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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lots of people run cars with equal sizes...on cars taht came staggered from the factory.
m3's come to mind etc.
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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If I had one of these G35/G37 sedans, i'd go out and buy a rear pair of wheels to mount up front, and run the car square (same size all around). ....and in the process completely fuck up my handling and alignment settings, yey! Unless you have an AWD one or are also planning to retune the suspension and redo the alighment with custom settings, this is a shitty idea. Those cars come staggered from the factory for a reason. Yea, so that they will understeer horribly when pushed hard to keep n00btastic drivers from hitting solid objects sideways. Pretty much the way all pedestrian cars come tuned from the factory. lol at "fuck up my... alignment settings". Since when does changing a wheel/tire setup do anything to affect alignment? Actually those are some of the best handling four door cars on the market. Just shows what you know. Question: What kind of person would run same sizes front and back on a car that was designed to run a staggered setup? Not a very bright one would be the right answer. I mean, you can't just be that obsessed with looks, no? You would actually make the car drive worse so you can look better? lol ricer. Anyway, if you honestly can't comprehend why doing what you said might affect handling and alignment, then I'm just gonna have to leave it alone and say WOOOOOOW!!! Bolting on a new set of wheels/tires on a car will never affect the alignment. Ever. Stop trying to disagree on that point because you're flat out wrong. It is mechanically impossible.
As for stagger/no stagger. I don't care if it's the best handling whatever in the market, segment, whatever, the fact of the matter is that the entire auto industry engineers cars with a significant amount of understeer built in. The only cars that are an exception are the most high-end sport/race focused cars. A 4-door Infiniti does not fall into that category whatsoever.
Understeer keeps motorists safe when they approach the limit of the car's grip and/or driving ability. Understeer keeps lawyers happy. Understeer can be reduced by running less/no stagger.
Besides, if the car is designed to run a stagger, then why would the AWD version not come w/ a stagger? Perhaps because the AWD introduces a safety net that isn't on the RWD version, thus the manufacture uses the stagger to help dumb down the handling to an acceptable level of safety/understeer (lack of oversteer).
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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If I had one of these G35/G37 sedans, i'd go out and buy a rear pair of wheels to mount up front, and run the car square (same size all around). ....and in the process completely fuck up my handling and alignment settings, yey! Unless you have an AWD one or are also planning to retune the suspension and redo the alighment with custom settings, this is a shitty idea. Those cars come staggered from the factory for a reason. Yea, so that they will understeer horribly when pushed hard to keep n00btastic drivers from hitting solid objects sideways. Pretty much the way all pedestrian cars come tuned from the factory. lol at "fuck up my... alignment settings". Since when does changing a wheel/tire setup do anything to affect alignment? Actually those are some of the best handling four door cars on the market. Just shows what you know. Question: What kind of person would run same sizes front and back on a car that was designed to run a staggered setup? Not a very bright one would be the right answer. I mean, you can't just be that obsessed with looks, no? You would actually make the car drive worse so you can look better? lol ricer. Anyway, if you honestly can't comprehend why doing what you said might affect handling and alignment, then I'm just gonna have to leave it alone and say WOOOOOOW!!! Sorry dood, you fail Basic Handling 101. "If the factory did it that way, it must be teh best!" Since when has this EVER been true about anything? Even the best modern production sedans are indeed understeer biased for liablity reasons. Wider front tires (assuming they clear) will undoubtedly make the handling more neutral. Going from staggered to non-staggered is very common on front engine RWD autocross and track cars. And it won't affect it the alignment, although it will make it more alignment sensitive i.e. tires will wear more unevenly if it's off.
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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I'm not saying factory is best, I'm just saying if the cars were meant to run a stagger then why move away from that if your only purpose is looks?
One thing I had left off previously was the electronic nannies which I know are not very popular here. But I've heard stories of quite a few guys with 350zs who run a no stagger and it throws their Stability control off and the cars drive funny, with the system applying brakes to the rear wheels for no apparent reason. I'm sure the much less sporting G35 sedan would react even worse if you ran a no-stagger on it. If you really think about it, by running a no-stagger on a car that was meant to be staggered you are affecting the way the wheels track and because you are adding more grip to the front you will have created an unpredictably oversteering POS car. Again, that is if you didn't modify anything else. So yeah, I believe that changing the oem wheel track WILL mess up the alignment. Ok, I guess the Mario Andrettis of this forum would want a car that feels twitchy and oversteering, but the rest of us live in the real world where we need the car to be safe and predictable unless we are ready for it, no? And the standard G35 has never been referred to as an understeering pig; it has neutral handling from the factory.
And please, please, please, understeer is not always a bad thing unless you are a naturally born racer. I'd bet most of us here aren't. I'm sure most of us wouldn't know who to call if the rear end started coming around on them while taking a turn. My feeling is that "holy shit" would be the only thing coming out of their mouth before they crash into that wall or car or whatever...
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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what happened to you?
and for the most part I think everyone in here could handle a rwd car just fine.
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Impulsive
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(Post Master Supreme)
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04/09/10 11:52 PM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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I went black G35C Rays wheels and ordered 255-40-19 Hancook V12's.
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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Sounds great to me.
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Impulsive
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(Post Master Supreme)
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04/10/10 01:06 PM
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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I'll weigh the setup for you too. Stockers with 245 Conti DWS's are 47 pounds a piece. I know the Rays are about 21 pounds, so I should be able to skip on extra mass.
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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good choice. just threw the summers on the sti. stock rubber for now(re070's) which arent to bad. with gold bbs factory rims. very nice.
almost ended up with some spec c wheels but opted for the stockers.
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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I'll weigh the setup for you too. Stockers with 245 Conti DWS's are 47 pounds a piece. I know the Rays are about 21 pounds, so I should be able to skip on extra mass.
Ha! Awesome. Feel free to take it to your local post office or UPS store, they'll weigh it for you right down to the # of grams or fractions of an ounce.
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Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics
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Woot. I'm sure they'll look good.
BTW, fronts (19x8) are 19 lbs, rears (19x8.5) are 21 lbs.
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I went black G35C Rays wheels and ordered 255-40-19 Hancook V12's.
WIN! Can't wait to see it. I was going to say you shouldn't even consider polished lip wheels unless you went 19's. The style you went with will look good.
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