1. The Hyundai 4B11T is not the same as the Mitsubishi EVO X 4B11T. While the Hyundai 4B is similar in many ways, there are very few common parts. The block, head, pistons, rods, crank, etc. are all similar, but different. Different in that they are lower grade. Hyundai’s rods are powder sintered whereas Mitsubishi’s are forged. Mitsubishi’s pistons are made by Mahle and have a oil reservoir underneath the dish like a Porsche turbo piston. Hyundai’s cast piston is no different in strength compared to one of their passenger cars. Hyundai’s 4B block has far less webbing (this is visible from the exterior). The differences go on and on. That doesn’t mean the Hyundai parts suck. It’s just that the Mitsubishi 4B11T is way better out of the box. While the parts are different, that doesn’t mean that the Mitsubishi pistons, rods, and crank cannot fit into a Hyundai 4B.

2. The cylinder head is different enough that the exhaust manifold and intake manifold flanges and gaskets are not common. They are absolutely different so there will be no manifold and turbo swapping. This is an absolute fact since Gary tried fitting the manifolds from an EVO X. The Mitsu engine is mounted transverse and it is very likely that the castings wouldn’t work anyway. That’s too bad since the Cosworth EVO X 4B11T CNC ported big valve cylinder head will be available to the public soon. See #6 below on the cams.

3. The LSD in the sports version is a gear type LSD and not a clutch type.

4. There is an orifice in the clutch’s hydraulic plumbing that needs to be removed for performance purposes (as do many other cars).

5. The Hyundai V-6 is very similar in design to the Nissan VQ35. If you’re going to make a new V6, you’d be a fool not to copy, oh sorry uh….model your new engine after the VQ35 since it is the best damn V6 in production right now.

6. While the cams are SIMILAR in appearance, they may not be identical like the GenesisDriven blog states. The blog post states that their Korean source says, “With your pictures send to Korea, our engineer and tech dept. have confirmed its identical as 2.0 turbo Theta for those cams.” I’m not sure what kind of engineer looks at a picture on a computer screen, makes a foolish assumption, and says, “Yep, those are identical.” I don’t think I want that engineer designing my parts. Regardless, the Hyundai and Mitsu 4B11T camshafts need to be precisely measured before saying that they are “identical”. I sure hope they’re the same because Cosworth already offers the best damn EVO X cams that money can buy.

3. The LSD in the sports version is a gear type LSD and not a clutch type.

*SNIFF* IT'S NOT THE SAME!!!!

Yeah, those Torsens are such garbage. I'm sure everybody was looking forward to rebuilding their clutch pack diffs every few years.

] My personal hope is that 400ish whp will be attainable with the stock bottom end but we'll see

I mean, it's hilarious...watching the mitsu fanboi's squirm is like watching Paris Hilton refusing to accept a sister she discovers living in a trailer park; "Like, omg! she's so....*bleh*!"

...are they similar? Sure thing, they're about as similar as a motor can be with different rods, pistons, block, head, etc. Kinda like Danny DeVito and Arnie in twins

Yeah,I just think this car wouldve been so cool if was closer to 3000 lbs.

]Not bad for an advertised 210hp if it's pumping out 197 to the wheels!

I forget.. how heavy is the 2.0T?

A stripper Hyundai Accent is 2500lbs, so pretty hard unfortunately.

At any rate, it still seems like a tempting deal.


ALTHOUGH I just stumbled upon a local 04 Z06 for 28K

motortrend video of the 2.0T
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9b2E_zaeho

15.2 @ 90 mph. boo urnssss

hopefully it WILL respond to simply mods...but 17 psi already?
sick braking though!



v6 drag race against stang gt and 370z
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77MstcS02Z8
wowzers the z is quick

I'm surprised how slow the Genesis is. It's not bad, but I was hoping more for a poor mans 370.

Shit, the Mustang still appeals to me since it has a bit of room in the trunk and V8 powah. My friends GF works at Ford, I should ask if she can get me the employee discount.

Um,Eric Hsu,IIRC is a guy that runs a shop that mods alot of stuff other than Mitsus,in fact I think they do a ton of Subie stuff. Im sure someone else knows this. I think they have a Genesis on order to build parts for it.

Seems to me that there were alot of posts saying "a tune and bolt-ons=100whp like the Evo,cuz it's the same". Doesnt appear that way.

As far as Mitsu pedigree? LOL Im not so concerned by that. DSMs danced with Neons in the past.

Edit:XS engineering's site shows that they have a Skyline project cars,support Subaru WRX,and Evos. Eric Hsu being a jaded Evo fanboy? I dont think so. I thought it was an interesting writeup.

If you want straight line performance, I tell everybody the same thing.

I'm not surprised. I expected it to be slower than those two cars. This is Hyundai's first attempt at a semi-serious sports car. They did well in my opinion. At least to me it looks the best out of the three.

Also, Hyundai has always been behind in the car game and this proves that they still are. They are catching up, but there is still work to do. Not saying the Genesis is a subpar product, because it is a great product for Hyundai. In the general automotive realm though, it is a mediocre product.

I really don't think it is a "mediocre product" compared to the industry.

It comes in at a lower price than any RWD coupe by a good margin with the turbo4. I would think its really going to compete with alot of FWD compacts, as it replaced the tiburon (last year 08?) and is in the ballpark of GTI/Si/Mspeed and so on.

When you look at the v6 base @ 25,000 it also undercuts the Z by a pretty margin.

I mean first thing most consumers will do is drool over the shape and want it regardless if its slower than the z or mustang or not. And I also don't believe hyundai ever called the car a "Z or mustang beater" or anything like that. Its just a nice looking rwd coupe with a nice looking interior, great warranty and good price.

Hey! Its not for ME,its for HIM! (pointing at Impulsive)

Dude you are so crazy with the Impulsive buying,maybe you two should trade screennames. LOL

Can you make a post about WHY you did this?

After purchasing the BMW, we got surprise pregnant with baby #2 (who arrived Saturday!!!!!!!!!!). Talked to a dealership that has Mitsubishi and BMW about 3 hours form here, got way more than my trade was worth and $7499 off the Evo's MSRP and 0% interest for 5 years. I dropped my payment substantially, knocked a year and a half off my payoff term, and have ample room for my new son in the back. I liked the BMW more, I need the Evo more. I saved over $13,000 doing this. Throwing a little cash, the amount I financed on this Evo is less than what I financed on the last Evo.

If I was smarter, I would have kept the IX long ago and not had automotive tourette syndrome.

If I dump this car someday, it'll be for a beater. Got $1400/month daycare bills to pay now, son! Cars seem like child's play compared to that. (Heck, so does my house). Daycare sucks.

for your kids sake I hope they didnt get the melon heads

LOL!
Sophia was 55 percentile body and 98% head as a baby. I'm sure will be the same, they are junior melons.

Recaro baby seat.

Got $1400/month daycare bills to pay now, son!

Got $1400/month daycare bills to pay now, son!