furball
(Post Master Sr)
06/21/18 08:42 AM
Ontario hybrid/EV incentives gone vPC Govt vTeslaSues&Wins

https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/...le-rebates.html

Electric vehicle rebates going to be killed sooner or later by the PC govt.

 Quote:
Ontario is getting ready to hit the brakes on rebates of up to $14,000 for motorists buying electric vehicles like the new Honda Clarity and Chrysler Pacifica hybrid.

The purchase incentives, which were established years ago by the recently defeated Liberal government to kick-start a shift to low-emission cars, have been funded in part by the cap-and-trade program the incoming Progressive Conservatives are scrapping.


AUG 16 UPDATE:

https://electrek.co/2018/08/16/tesla-sues-ontario-government-ev-incentives/
https://www.thestar.com/business/2018/08/16/tesla-sues-ontario-over-ev-rebates.html

Tesla sues.

Aug 28 update

Tesla WINS.

https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/...incentives.html


Big Tasty
(Post Master Supreme)
06/21/18 09:18 AM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

Guess I will have to put that P100D on hold.... \:D

zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
06/21/18 09:23 AM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

Good!!

LNXGUY
(Post Master Supreme)
06/21/18 09:58 AM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

I wonder who ended up paying for those rebates in the long run? All of us I'm assuming.

Senor Eduardo_82
(Post Master Supreme)
06/21/18 10:07 AM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

I don't mind having paid for them, I think they were effective in getting cars on the road. I hope the rebates are slowly rolled back rather than cutting them off all at once. The take rate is with our high dollar is still not nearly as good as it is in the major US centres.

Screamin Type ARGH!
(Post Master Supreme)
06/21/18 10:27 AM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

that's too bad. not a good move. PC gov. cucks gonna have a lot of pissed off car manuf at them...which is one of the biggest industries ONT needs to survive lol

furball
(Post Master Sr)
06/21/18 11:21 AM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

Is it me... or would these incentives not have applied to Tesla's anyway? i.e. it only applies to vehicles < $75k MSRP?

And .. this was an ONTARIO thing? i.e. anyone buying an electric vehicle OUTSIDE of Ontario, would be paying more? i.e. no incentives?

(Never been into this shit, as I wasn't in the market.)


Senor Eduardo_82
(Post Master Supreme)
06/21/18 11:51 AM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

Quebec, Ontario, and BC all have incentives for BEVs and PHEVs.

Ontario's $75k and $150k limits are relatively new. There was a time when you could get the full rebate amount on a loaded Model S or X.

Are you implying that you're in the market now?


furball
(Post Master Sr)
06/21/18 12:12 PM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

Not in the immediate future


phoenixrage
(Post Master Supreme)
06/21/18 12:21 PM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

he's cutting the old plans, but has yet to announce any plans for the future, so suddenly we all just jump to the conclusion that there won't be some other program in its place in the future, we just assume its nothing for the rest of time (based on what the linked article is saying). Come on people.

furball
(Post Master Sr)
06/21/18 12:22 PM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

This is Doug Ford we're talking about ... Not some Nobel prize recipient or John Tory.

phoenixrage
(Post Master Supreme)
06/21/18 12:24 PM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

 Originally Posted By: furball
This is Doug Ford we're talking about ... Not some Nobel prize recipient or John Tory.


what I'm asking is... have they announced anything about a new plan at all, or a definitive answer that there will be nothing to replace what he's scrapping?


Senor Eduardo_82
(Post Master Supreme)
06/21/18 01:23 PM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

 Originally Posted By: furball
Not in the immediate future


I liked your old answer better.

Did she read it and make you edit it? ;\)


c2k
(Post Master Supreme)
06/21/18 03:22 PM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

As if the average joe will be able to afford a tesla.

Good move by PC


phoenixrage
(Post Master Supreme)
06/21/18 03:32 PM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

without any incentive, now cars like the Bolt & Volt become harder sells at their price point. I was actually considering an electric car as my next daily.. but without the rebate, its not worth it for those vehicles.

I'm hoping there's some sort of program moving forward that still provides something.


Raocorp
(Post Master Sr)
06/21/18 04:35 PM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

 Originally Posted By: furball
Is it me... or would these incentives not have applied to Tesla's anyway? i.e. it only applies to vehicles < $75k MSRP?

And .. this was an ONTARIO thing? i.e. anyone buying an electric vehicle OUTSIDE of Ontario, would be paying more? i.e. no incentives?

(Never been into this shit, as I wasn't in the market.)


The new rules were imposed because they were being abused. Cars being bought then disappearing out of Ontario. And I'm not talking being stolen either. Plus, if you can afford a Tesla, you shouldn't be getting back a rebate imo so that was a good move.


Hatorade
(Post Master Supreme)
06/21/18 06:15 PM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

 Originally Posted By: Raocorp
 Originally Posted By: furball
Is it me... or would these incentives not have applied to Tesla's anyway? i.e. it only applies to vehicles < $75k MSRP?

And .. this was an ONTARIO thing? i.e. anyone buying an electric vehicle OUTSIDE of Ontario, would be paying more? i.e. no incentives?

(Never been into this shit, as I wasn't in the market.)


The new rules were imposed because they were being abused. Cars being bought then disappearing out of Ontario. And I'm not talking being stolen either. Plus, if you can afford a Tesla, you shouldn't be getting back a rebate imo so that was a good move.


Explain to me how these cars are disappearing out of Ontario? If the car leaves Ontario within the year of purchase the rebate will be clawed back.


titty sprinkles
(Post Master Supreme)
06/21/18 08:05 PM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

fuck those rebates. i don't get a rebate for driving a 4 banger while dude next to me has a 6.3ltr v8 amg.

phoenixrage
(Post Master Supreme)
06/22/18 10:55 AM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

yea, the system definitely needed a revamp.

IMO, tax the car like they do in some countries, based on age/mileage/engine size.

the people who use big vehicles for business will write it off anyways, and this will encourage other people to look into smaller/efficient cars or alternative transportation.


Hatorade
(Post Master Supreme)
06/22/18 05:10 PM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

Yup. Sick of seeing red necks driving by themselves in their huge pick up.

porschetr
(Post Master Supreme)
06/22/18 11:05 PM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

Dougy already scrapped the Smart Thermostats. ($100)
and Energy Saving coupons on bulbs etc not available on website anymore.

Current Vehicle Incentives according to Tesla

British Columbia
$5,000 rebate for vehicles with a base price under $77,000
Up to $750 rebate on Wall Connector and installation
Carpool lane access (with official EV decal)

Ontario
Up to $14,000 rebate for vehicles with a base price under $75,000
Up to $1,000 rebate on Wall Connector and installation
Carpool lane access

Québec
Up to $8,000 rebate for vehicles with a base price under $75,000
Up to $3,000 rebate for vehicles with a base price between $75,000 and $125,000
Up to $600 rebate on Wall Connector and installation


Raocorp
(Post Master Sr)
06/23/18 10:12 AM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

 Originally Posted By: Hatorade


Explain to me how these cars are disappearing out of Ontario? If the car leaves Ontario within the year of purchase the rebate will be clawed back.


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Hatorade
(Post Master Supreme)
06/23/18 10:51 AM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

Where did you read this?

A2B-Lexus
(Post Master Supreme)
06/23/18 11:49 AM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

 Originally Posted By: LNXGUY
I wonder who ended up paying for those rebates in the long run? All of us I'm assuming.


Poor folks subsidizing people driving Teslas is annoying.


phoenixrage
(Post Master Supreme)
06/23/18 11:56 AM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

 Originally Posted By: Hatorade
Where did you read this?



probably the same site for mini tech support...

i kid i kid...

but BMW at least, won't even let people buy out cars that are known to be high value export vehicles.


Raocorp
(Post Master Sr)
06/23/18 12:02 PM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

 Originally Posted By: Hatorade
Where did you read this?



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hyper-s2k
(Post Master Supreme)
06/25/18 08:28 PM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

 Originally Posted By: phoenixrage


but BMW at least, won't even let people buy out cars that are known to be high value export vehicles.


so BMW can actually refuse to let you buy out your lease? (or not financed?)

so which models won't they let you buy?


4age
(Post Master Sr)
06/26/18 03:08 PM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

^WUT?

Hatorade
(Post Master Supreme)
06/26/18 04:11 PM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

 Originally Posted By: hyper-s2k
 Originally Posted By: phoenixrage


but BMW at least, won't even let people buy out cars that are known to be high value export vehicles.


so BMW can actually refuse to let you buy out your lease? (or not financed?)

so which models won't they let you buy?


No cash purchase allowed on certain models. MB does the same.


furball
(Post Master Sr)
08/16/18 02:42 PM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

AUG 16 UPDATE: https://www.thestar.com/business/2018/08/16/tesla-sues-ontario-over-ev-rebates.html

https://electrek.co/2018/08/16/tesla-sues-ontario-government-ev-incentives/


LNXGUY
(Post Master Supreme)
08/16/18 04:54 PM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

I don't agree with the delivery date bullshit. If the car was ordered before the rebates were pulled, they should be getting a rebate. Delivery date has nothing to do with it.

SW20_MR2
(Post Master Sr)
08/20/18 09:26 AM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

Agreed. My sister ordered a Bolt, but it won't get delivered on time. Now she has to go and buy something else. Pain in the ass.

Screamin Type ARGH!
(Post Master Supreme)
08/20/18 10:34 AM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

 Originally Posted By: LNXGUY
I don't agree with the delivery date bullshit. If the car was ordered before the rebates were pulled, they should be getting a rebate. Delivery date has nothing to do with it.


exactly


Raocorp
(Post Master Sr)
08/20/18 07:31 PM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

 Originally Posted By: SW20_MR2
Agreed. My sister ordered a Bolt, but it won't get delivered on time. Now she has to go and buy something else. Pain in the ass.


So what happens in this situation? dealer called her up said they can't get in time and ask if she wanted to back out of the deal? Which dealer was the order from?


SW20_MR2
(Post Master Sr)
08/22/18 06:39 AM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

She gets her deposit back. Dunno which dealer it was, but there has been a 3-4 month wait time for the Bolt, so pretty much every buyer after a certain date would've been waiting. GM said they couldn't do anything either.

 Originally Posted By: Raocorp


So what happens in this situation? dealer called her up said they can't get in time and ask if she wanted to back out of the deal? Which dealer was the order from?


Hatorade
(Post Master Supreme)
08/22/18 12:21 PM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

 Originally Posted By: SW20_MR2
Agreed. My sister ordered a Bolt, but it won't get delivered on time. Now she has to go and buy something else. Pain in the ass.


Why does she need to get something else? What’s the alternative?


SW20_MR2
(Post Master Sr)
08/24/18 01:59 PM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

If she decides that she doesn't want to pay $14k(?) more for the Bolt than originally planned, she will need to get something else. Maybe a non-electric. Not sure what she's decided to do yet.

 Originally Posted By: Hatorade


Why does she need to get something else? What’s the alternative?


phoenixrage
(Post Master Supreme)
08/24/18 02:18 PM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

IMO,

residential wall chargers - up to $1500 rebate. maybe also offer something to businesses/malls to help build up an infrastructure.

revive the old program but with changes...
EV up to $50k - $5-15k rebate based on specs/battery capacity.
50k + - up to 5k based on specs/battery capacity.


Raocorp
(Post Master Sr)
08/24/18 09:09 PM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

^ there was a rebate for businesses too. Workplace electric vehicle charger incentive http://www.grants.gov.on.ca/GrantsPortal/en/OntarioGrants/GrantOpportunities/PRDR018185.html

furball
(Post Master Sr)
08/27/18 07:16 AM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

This is sad...

While we all laughed at the retards who put solar panels on their semi-detached home ... These incentives were a step in the right direction .. .I think?

i.e. there was the counter argument that the mining and processing to gather the components (particularly in batteries) was hardcore fuuuucked.


furball
(Post Master Sr)
08/28/18 07:02 AM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

Update: Tesla wins.

From this, it's unclear wtf that means doe...

https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/...incentives.html


phoenixrage
(Post Master Supreme)
08/28/18 07:33 AM
Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt

 Originally Posted By: furball
This is sad...

While we all laughed at the retards who put solar panels on their semi-attached home ... These incentives were a step in the right direction .. .I think?

i.e. there was the counter argument that the mining and processing to gather the components (particularly in batteries) was hardcore fuuuucked.


Well, its no doubt a big thing that people overlook is the whole manufacturing process and all the precious metals required to build these electric vehicles/solar panels/battery walls. But at least we're starting to move in that direction and hopefully over time, we'll come up with better technology, or better manufacturing processes.

My issue with solar is if there's enough benefit given our winters?