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i'm due aug 7th, locking in today as "early" as it's 30 day limit rbc , 2yr fixed, 2.19% (up from 2.09%) |
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My window for early renewal opens in August, so I can't do shit right now. Looking at the 2yr/2.19 as well. Or just pay the damn thing off and ball out. |
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Originally Posted By: eddie_82 just pay the damn thing off and ball out. Do this. Assuming you would put that money in the market otherwise, at the current peaks/records we are reaching paying it off is probably the best use of money now imo. At least all signs point that way. |
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Originally Posted By: Risky Business Originally Posted By: eddie_82 just pay the damn thing off and ball out. Do this. Assuming you would put that money in the market otherwise, at the current peaks/records we are reaching paying it off is probably the best use of money now imo. At least all signs point that way. So you're saying with interest at 2.19% vs. 8% portfolio gain is better to pay off mortgage? |
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I renewed in January. I have my mtg split 5 year fixed @ 2.49 5 year variable @ 2.20 |
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Originally Posted By: Hatorade Originally Posted By: Risky Business Originally Posted By: eddie_82 just pay the damn thing off and ball out. Do this. Assuming you would put that money in the market otherwise, at the current peaks/records we are reaching paying it off is probably the best use of money now imo. At least all signs point that way. So you're saying with interest at 2.19% vs. 8% portfolio gain is better to pay off mortgage? The equity market is overvalued and you could be taking a 25%+ haircut during the "next" recession, whenever that happens (probably sooner than later). So yes, as of today I'd feel much better paying off my mortgage at the low interest that it's at than to gamble with a looming recession. |
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Risky will go ham and rawfishing all the properties in the next recession #CapitalGainz |
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Originally Posted By: Risky Business Originally Posted By: Hatorade Originally Posted By: Risky Business Originally Posted By: eddie_82 just pay the damn thing off and ball out. Do this. Assuming you would put that money in the market otherwise, at the current peaks/records we are reaching paying it off is probably the best use of money now imo. At least all signs point that way. So you're saying with interest at 2.19% vs. 8% portfolio gain is better to pay off mortgage? The equity market is overvalued and you could be taking a 25%+ haircut during the "next" recession, whenever that happens (probably sooner than later). So yes, as of today I'd feel much better paying off my mortgage at the low interest that it's at than to gamble with a looming recession. +1 to this (similar to what we've been doing the past 5+ yrs), just pay it down as much to the principle$ amt as you can...if you have some extra money lying around that is, which in this day and age is tricky. i usually toss some funds to my mortg before renewal time. rbc has the lump some once-per-year payment option as well, in addition to the double-up payment option, which i'm sure all banks do too. but damn it with such lil interest, it's so easy to get sucked into borrowing large amt's too! re. recession, who the hell knows. damn central banking system /tin foil hat. but at the same time, it's up to ppl to manage their own money and risk. for me personally, besides the usual rrsp/resp/mainstream crap/etc. i've been tossing cdn$ into bitcoin and playing markets there for the past two years and it's paid off handsomely. i think it's a good option to have in your back pocket should the current FIAT system go to shit /super tin foil hat. CDN government doesn't tax it (yet) either. |
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I've been taking a shit kicking the last few weeks. Today I think I'm up about $600 |
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You're up? Jelly. My TFSA alone is down $2k after 2 weeks. |
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I'm on variable... due in another 1-2 yrs. |
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Just got my June statement. My couch potato investments are only up 4.1% this year. Maybe it's time to cash out... |
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Do you guys trade so much that you track monthly movement? I look at big dips as buying opportunities. The idea of a couch potato is to leave it alone. If you can earn 4% compound per year, you've done well. |
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No comments on Bank of Canada raising the mortgage rates from 0.5% to 0.75%? Canadian $ just shot up. |
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Sorry, Interest rate. http://globalnews.ca/news/3581766/mortgage-calculator-canada-interest-rate-hike/ Quote: Today, rates went up by 0.25 of a percentage point. Many economists expect the central bank to raise rates by a full percentage point (up to 1.5 per cent) by the end of 2018. |
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yeah i've been taking a small hit also on my investments over the past couple of weeks. i hope it pops back up soon. |
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Originally Posted By: eddie_82 Just got my June statement. My couch potato investments are only up 4.1% this year. Maybe it's time to cash out... Cashed out late March, early April. Chilling on the sidelines now, wow market timer oh no. |
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Originally Posted By: Risky Business Originally Posted By: eddie_82 Just got my June statement. My couch potato investments are only up 4.1% this year. Maybe it's time to cash out... Cashed out late March, early April. Chilling on the sidelines now, wow market timer oh no. Should have sold the house too |
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Greedy banks, they sure were quick to follow with a 25bps prime rate hike, despite not cutting the full 25 at the last two drops. Last two BoC target rate drops of 25 bps each, the banks only dropped prime 15bps. Nice little padded margin there. |
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Is anyone with a variable rate looking to lock in at a fixed rate due to the increase? From what I gather there may be another increase in October. |
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just locked in 2.19 for 2yr...but really contemplated going 3 to 5yr...but damn it don't wanna pay more lol. i've just been flipping cheap 2yr locked in rates for awhile and it seems work out good enough. figure why pay more now when no guarantee shit will go up in the future (it will but very slowly). so meh, will just pay the cheapest 2yr fixed in the future then too. |
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I'm fucked. Still 11 months out on my 2yr. Oh well. |
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Originally Posted By: Risky Business Originally Posted By: eddie_82 Just got my June statement. My couch potato investments are only up 4.1% this year. Maybe it's time to cash out... Cashed out late March, early April. Chilling on the sidelines now, wow market timer oh no. Same, but you beat me by 3 months. I cashed out in May. I feel a bit nervous though. That much money just sitting there doing nothing. I feel I'm missing out. I feel like an old grandma that's stashed her life savings under a mattress. It's just sitting there depreciating. Ugh! |
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Originally Posted By: Screamin DC2R just locked in 2.19 for 2yr...but really contemplated going 3 to 5yr...but damn it don't wanna pay more lol. i've just been flipping cheap 2yr locked in rates for awhile and it seems work out good enough. figure why pay more now when no guarantee shit will go up in the future (it will but very slowly). so meh, will just pay the cheapest 2yr fixed in the future then too. If there is a trend of rate increase, the future fixed rate is going to be higher than now, no? Wile the 2 years fixed worked for you the last 5-7 years, it may not be in the 2.15% everytime you renew going forward. |
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Originally Posted By: iamsnob Originally Posted By: Screamin DC2R just locked in 2.19 for 2yr...but really contemplated going 3 to 5yr...but damn it don't wanna pay more lol. i've just been flipping cheap 2yr locked in rates for awhile and it seems work out good enough. figure why pay more now when no guarantee shit will go up in the future (it will but very slowly). so meh, will just pay the cheapest 2yr fixed in the future then too. If there is a trend of rate increase, the future fixed rate is going to be higher than now, no? Wile the 2 years fixed worked for you the last 5-7 years, it may not be in the 2.15% everytime you renew going forward. i know. that's fine, as since the increases will be so minor 'every 2 yrs' going fwd (at least it has been until now). rates will prob go up a bit more than usual over say the next 10 yrs but meh, not gonna split hairs over calculating the difference. not to mention i plan to try and pay off mine IN the next 10yrs so fuck dem bank s0n! |
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Another increase by BoC today which presumably will translate to a 0.25 increase to Prime in the coming days. Anyone with variable locking in? |
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I'm getting 2yrs fixed in December and getting rid of this burden ASAP. |
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Originally Posted By: Screamin DC2R Originally Posted By: iamsnob Originally Posted By: Screamin DC2R just locked in 2.19 for 2yr...but really contemplated going 3 to 5yr...but damn it don't wanna pay more lol. i've just been flipping cheap 2yr locked in rates for awhile and it seems work out good enough. figure why pay more now when no guarantee shit will go up in the future (it will but very slowly). so meh, will just pay the cheapest 2yr fixed in the future then too. If there is a trend of rate increase, the future fixed rate is going to be higher than now, no? Wile the 2 years fixed worked for you the last 5-7 years, it may not be in the 2.15% everytime you renew going forward. i know. that's fine, as since the increases will be so minor 'every 2 yrs' going fwd (at least it has been until now). rates will prob go up a bit more than usual over say the next 10 yrs but meh, not gonna split hairs over calculating the difference. not to mention i plan to try and pay off mine IN the next 10yrs so fuck dem bank s0n! What's the rush paying off your mortgage? |
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Originally Posted By: eddie_82 I'm getting 2yrs fixed in December and getting rid of this burden ASAP. How come only 2 years? Just curious as to the strategy. |
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Let the firesale of homes begin |
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Hmmm at what point is smith maneuver not going to make sense? It's cutting close, unless I keep doing cash advances on credit cards when they have 0% for a year with a 1% fee. |
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I'm rolling with 2.64% for 5 years |
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I am going in tomorrow for a meeting with RBC. I am up for renewal in december. Over the phone offer was 3.04 fixed 5years. I will post up what comes up in the meeting. |
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primary is paid for and rental is 2.39 fixed for 5 years. *anxiously waits for the firesale* |
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Originally Posted By: Risky Business Let the firesale of homes begin My Balbi is ready |
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Originally Posted By: SuPeR-MaRiO Originally Posted By: eddie_82 I'm getting 2yrs fixed in December and getting rid of this burden ASAP. How come only 2 years? Just curious as to the strategy. I'll have it paid off in less than two years if I do nothing. |
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RBC offered 2.64 fixed for 2 years. Took it as it will be last time renewing. |
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Mine comes up in Dec with TD. Spoke w rep last week before the rate hike...decided to be a good husband and told the TD telephone rep I need to talk to the wife.....(rates went up a day later) 2 yr 2.64% 3 yr 2.99% 5 yr 3.06% We aren't planning to move but 5 yrs seems like a long commitment. Thinking of going with 2 years and go from there. |
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Originally Posted By: eddie_82 Originally Posted By: SuPeR-MaRiO Originally Posted By: eddie_82 I'm getting 2yrs fixed in December and getting rid of this burden ASAP. How come only 2 years? Just curious as to the strategy. I'll have it paid off in less than two years if I do nothing. Congrats man! |
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It's not a big deal really. Still took longer than it should have, but heck, you gotta live a little too |
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Rates went up again. 2.79% for two years now. |
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That's it. Crash happening!!! |
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Originally Posted By: eddie_82 Rates went up again. 2.79% for two years now. Specifically, fixed rates went up this time, preceded by variable/prime increase the previous week. |
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Ok I'm really torn and could use some advice/opinions. Currently I'm on a variable for prime minus 0.50%. It was nice at the beginning of the year when my rate was 2.20% but with the increases its now up to 2.70% Its still a good rate, but if you were in my shoes would you lock in for 5 years at 3.04% or would you ride out the variable? It's pretty much guaranteed that there won't be any decreases in the next five years, but will they go up another 0.30%? I think its pretty likely. What would you do? I'm leaning with locking in. |
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Fixed and variable rates are just going to go up further, my thought was lock in now vs later when it's higher. I can already get the pre-recent-increase price. |
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was tempted to lock in a 5yr fixed 2yrs ago, guess i coulda as the rate was not bad for 5yr but still quite a bit more than the 2yr we chose. we've been flipping 2yr fixed rates (doing the 6 month early renew up until this year rates went up so fuck that lol) for the past 6 yrs and i think it's worked out nice...always paying lowest rate. now that rates APPEAR to be steadily rising now and in the coming years locking in a 5yr fixed may not be such a bad idea. we're sticking to just flipping 2yr fixed tho. |
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Originally Posted By: SuPeR-MaRiO Fixed and variable rates are just going to go up further, my thought was lock in now vs later when it's higher. I can already get the pre-recent-increase price. I'd stay the course for now. |
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I should add that I have two segments to my mtg. One is the variable and the other is a fixed at 2.45%. Perhaps the latter would balance out if I were to lock in for 5 years. I need to make a decision today if I want the 3.04% rate |
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If it makes you sleep better at night then lock in. Just understand you are accepting to pay a premium out of fear that's not based on anything fundamental. For you to be on the losing end of this mortgage rates would have to go up by half a percent within 2 years (at a quarter you are breaking even). |
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Originally Posted By: Risky Business If it makes you sleep better at night then lock in. Just understand you are accepting to pay a premium out of fear that's not based on anything fundamental. For you to be on the losing end of this mortgage rates would have to go up by half a percent within 2 years (at a quarter you are breaking even). I have $6M in mortgages so the bank forces me to lock at 5 years. |
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I'm not concerned about payments and such. Its more of locking in when I could've benefited from my existing lower rate. But I guess thats the concern whenever you decide between variable and fixed |
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https://globalnews.ca/news/3771953/bank-of-canada-interest-rates-going-forward/ Quote: On Wednesday, as he made his first public comments since July, Poloz said the bank’s decision to raise the rate a second time followed a string of unexpectedly strong economic numbers. The bank's next scheduled rate announcement is scheduled for Oct. 25. Before the speech, most analysts had been expecting the central bank to raise the benchmark rate a few more times over the coming year. |
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i have 2 segments on my house, one is up in feb and the other in june... i want to put them both on one segment so gonna wait. but rbc just called and offered me 4 year fix for 3.19. currently it's 2.19 |
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Originally Posted By: Balhar currently it's 2.19 2.19% after a .50 point increase? I'm guessing you have prime minus 1.01%? /notbadobama |
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Got my 1yr @ 2.79%. 12 months from now, bye-bye mortgage! |
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Originally Posted By: eddie_82 Got my 1yr @ 2.79%. 12 months from now, bye-bye mortgage! wow nice, congrats meng. you made it. we still slavin' |
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Originally Posted By: eddie_82 Says the guy buying a Lambo yeah, it's got a solid fiero base. problem? l e l |
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Another hike expected tomorrow. Fixed rates for sure will increase, but undetermined if Prime will be raised. RBC increased their 5 year fixed last week by 0.15 |
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If BoC raises their lending rate tomorrow the banks will absolutely raise their prime rate by the same amount. It's how they make $10B/year. Fixed rates are never tied to the BoC rate, so tomorrow's move won't have an impact there. A coworker got a 2.79%/5yr rate a few weeks ago with a small lender. No frills, minimum prepayment privileges, for his situation he's still laughing at the rate he got. |
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Damn 2.79% is great for 5 years fixed. The latest quotes I received was 3.29% 5 years fixed from TD and Scotia. |
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I have my mtg split with RBC. One portion is fixed at 2.49 and the other is variable at Prime minus 0.50 (which currently equates to 2.70) It was nice when I was at 2.20 but now my dilemma is whether to lock in the variable rate as it continues to climb. The only issue is I can't leave RBC without penalty. So far variable seems to be holding well vs the fixed rate, just don't know how long that will last. @Eddie, thoughts? |
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So many factors to consider. I'd suggest you sit down with your bank rep and play with the numbers to see how much of a difference locking in will make versus a jump of 2-3% in the prime rate. You may only be looking at a few hundred dollars during your current term if your principal is low, or maybe it's a few thousand dollars and worthwhile for you to lock if you're carrying a $600k mortgage. Reading back on this thread I see you've been asking and pondering about locking in for a while now. If it's on your mind a lot it may be a good idea for you to just do it and put your indecisiveness at ease. |
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I like that prime minus 1.25% by butler But I guess it depends how fast prime will actually ramp up in the next few years. Tough call.... |
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Someone remind me, what's 0.5% of $0 balance? |
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Originally Posted By: eddie_82 Someone remind me, what's 0.5% of $0 balance? you don't count cause you're a rich moghul who likes miatas |
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Spoke to my realtor friend and he says a lot of houses over $1M has been sitting on the market for a while and things have cooled. There is a newly build 2 car garage home (no fence, no yard so pretty much BNIB) that looks decent and it has been on the market for a month plus. Tossed around the idea of moving but with baby #1 due in April, we are cutting it too close.... |
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Wife is juuuuuuuuuuuust beginning to look at homes, and ... windowshopping and picking at err-little thang... Likely look at something close to 407 for her, and GO for me ... Though 401/Leslie/DVP/York Mills is a window-shopping area, given her friend lives 'Hoggs Hollow' area (i.e. 401/Yonge) -- traffic there is a fucking cluster fuck, all the time. Anything outside of Hamilton is good. |
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She's actually seeing the light; she's ok with Markham given the large variety of food options. She's stubborn and since she grew up in Hamilton, refuses to diss the shithole, likely transition the MIL out in the next couple of years. My take is to consider investing/keeping/maintaining/building an empire of homes there ... <InsertRandomRealEstateInvestingArticleFromTheStar.ComAboutSomeWomanBuyingHomesInBrantford> Here it is... https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017...ers-teitel.html Originally Posted By: Hatorade So you'll end up in Hamilton is what you're saying? |
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BoC raised their lending rate as expected. I'm kinda curious as to how much of Canada's personal debt (outside of mortgages) is on a variable interest rate. Credit cards, car loans, are usually at fixed rates. Student loans can be either. |
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Originally Posted By: furball Wife is juuuuuuuuuuuust beginning to look at homes, and ... windowshopping and picking at err-little thang... Likely look at something close to 407 for her, and GO for me ... Though 401/Leslie/DVP/York Mills is a window-shopping area, given her friend lives 'Hoggs Hollow' area (i.e. 401/Yonge) -- traffic there is a fucking cluster fuck, all the time. Anything outside of Hamilton is good. Why are you shopping for a house? Don't you already have a house in Markham...you would already be close to GO/407. |
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Originally Posted By: eddie_eightytwo Got my 1yr @ 2.79%. 12 months from now, bye-bye mortgage! Been listening to a lot of podcasts recently on retirement savings, early retirement, semi-retirement, as I try to figure out what my next 15-20 years may look like. Lots of calculators and spreadsheets about how much to save, and trying to figure out when I can exit the rat race. As predicted, yesterday was mortgage freedom day. A new adventure begins. |
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Originally Posted By: eddie_eightytwo Originally Posted By: eddie_eightytwo Got my 1yr @ 2.79%. 12 months from now, bye-bye mortgage! Been listening to a lot of podcasts recently on retirement savings, early retirement, semi-retirement, as I try to figure out what my next 15-20 years may look like. Lots of calculators and spreadsheets about how much to save, and trying to figure out when I can exit the rat race. As predicted, yesterday was mortgage freedom day. A new adventure begins. Congratulations! Im sure the bank must really hate you now. |
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Originally Posted By: eddie_eightytwo Originally Posted By: eddie_eightytwo Got my 1yr @ 2.79%. 12 months from now, bye-bye mortgage! Been listening to a lot of podcasts recently on retirement savings, early retirement, semi-retirement, as I try to figure out what my next 15-20 years may look like. Lots of calculators and spreadsheets about how much to save, and trying to figure out when I can exit the rat race. As predicted, yesterday was mortgage freedom day. A new adventure begins. That's amazing man, huge accomplishment imo especially if you are still in your 30's. Hope to join the club soon. As far as FIRE calcs, I think the 4% withdrawal rule would suit you well. |
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Yeah man congrats - now you have true freedom! If you loose your job tomorrow you don't have to worry about those banks coming looking for their interest payments. Keep saving like you were before and don't spend the "new" money and your savings should grow nicely. |
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The future looks to be that we're selling the Makham home, and moving on towards Burlington/Oakville area next summer ... and the wife needs to pick up some training on cash flow, etc. Cuz if not, we're gonna be house-poor ... As my mortgage comes up for renewal in Jan 2019, gotta figure out wtf to do, i.e. looks like we may either jump ship from CIBC, and/or get a larger mortgage for another home, etc... From the basic intel I got, in any case I'm looking at paying some kind of early termination fee, even if I did a 1-yr open etc... |
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Originally Posted By: furball The future looks to be that we're selling the Makham home, and moving on towards Burlington/Oakville area next summer ... and the wife needs to pick up some training on cash flow, etc. Cuz if not, we're gonna be house-poor ... As my mortgage comes up for renewal in Jan 2019, gotta figure out wtf to do, i.e. looks like we may either jump ship from CIBC, and/or get a larger mortgage for another home, etc... From the basic intel I got, in any case I'm looking at paying some kind of early termination fee, even if I did a 1-yr open etc... Are you on the CIBC Home Power Plan? |
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Looks to be so ... i.e. I have a HELCO associated with the mortgage. How does that fit into my situation re: likely increasing mortgage/switching homes? Originally Posted By: eddie_eightytwo Are you on the CIBC Home Power Plan? |
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You have a few options: -If your plan limit covers the amount you need to borrow for the new place, you just refi up to the new amount and port your mortgage -If the above isn't enough. you can port your existing mortgage as-is over to the new property, add-on the additional funds you need at current rates. You'll get a blended rate of the old and new (weighted on the amounts at each rate) -If interest rates are lower now than what you're currently paying, it could make the most sense to close your existing plan (incurring prepayment and discharge fees), and take on a whole new mortgage. You'd have to do the math on the interest savings versus the fees involved. |
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Originally Posted By: c2k Congratulations! Im sure the bank must really hate you now. Originally Posted By: Risky Business That's amazing man, huge accomplishment imo especially if you are still in your 30's. Hope to join the club soon. As far as FIRE calcs, I think the 4% withdrawal rule would suit you well. Originally Posted By: Mr.Bozack Yeah man congrats - now you have true freedom! If you loose your job tomorrow you don't have to worry about those banks coming looking for their interest payments. Keep saving like you were before and don't spend the "new" money and your savings should grow nicely. Originally Posted By: Big Tasty Congrats, great accomplishment! Thanks all. It's a kinda surreal feeling I'm having today. I know I won't see any change in the numbers until after Jan 1, and even then it will take a long time for the bank and investment accounts to look significantly different. Right now it's all psychological, a lifted burden of such. As for the FIRE stuff, the numbers and options are head-spinningly complicated. 4% withdrawal rate and 5% earnings are pretty safe numbers to use, although some are suggesting as low as 3.5% pull and assuming 6% and 7% earnings. Then trying to figure out LIFs and RIFs and annuities and Seg Funds and more, just adds so much complexity. The government does have a really good, detailed, calculator available which has been kinda eye-opening to use. https://www.canada.ca/en/services/benefits/publicpensions/cpp/retirement-income-calculator.html One thing that's clear though is I need to start working on building a portfolio that generates more passive income, because I don't want to be digging into the locked in stuff until at least 60. No way I'm working until then if I can help it, so my money will have to come from passive sources if I can get out by 55, or maybe even 50? Who knows! |
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wow thats awesome! congrats! sounds like you are a smart dude. all the best on your next adventure. i'm in the mortgage for life and work till i die boat |
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Congrats on being mortgage free! what a great feeling!! |
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Woah nice! Now you can buy a fleet of miatas! |