zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
03/27/17 02:09 PM
can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

I am having a hard time choosing between these 4 models.
Budget is 20k, she wants 4wd, Bluetooth, and preferably rear DVDs for those long drives
Fuel mileage is not a huge concern, but they all get 20-25 mpg hwy anyway

2010 Jeep Commander
http://www.autotrader.ca/result/addetail...CFQGRaQod778A3g

2012 Mazda Cx9
http://www.autotrader.ca/a/Mazda/CX-9/Ha...O&orup=38_15_58

2011 MKT non ecoboost
http://www.autotrader.ca/a/Lincoln/MKT/BRAMPTON/Ontario/19_10082512_/?showcpo=ShowCPO&orup=9_15_13

2013 MKT Ecoboost, little questionable history
http://www.autotrader.ca/a/Lincoln/MKT/U...PO&orup=7_15_13


Kinda leaning towards the Lincoln or the Jeep. The Mazda just looks so boring


Risky Business
(Post Master Supreme)
03/27/17 02:13 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

Why no highlander?

Senor Eduardo_82
(Post Master Supreme)
03/27/17 02:16 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife



zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
03/27/17 02:19 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

 Originally Posted By: Risky Business
Why no highlander?


In that price range they are pretty old or have high KM

Would have liked a 4runner 2011-2012 but not even close to 20k


LNXGUY
(Post Master Supreme)
03/27/17 02:21 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

Santa Fe?

SuPeR-MaRiO
(Post Master Sr)
03/27/17 02:21 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

The wife (and I) were really happy with the CRV. Super reliable, lots of trunk space, drove like a car. The 4 cyl was a slightly under powered but was perfect for my wife.

zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
03/27/17 02:28 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

 Originally Posted By: LNXGUY
Santa Fe?


Na no koren stuff

 Originally Posted By: SuPeR-MaRiO
The wife (and I) were really happy with the CRV. Super reliable, lots of trunk space, drove like a car. The 4 cyl was a slightly under powered but was perfect for my wife.


A bit too small for us


Wildout
(Post Master Jr)
03/27/17 02:43 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

 Originally Posted By: Risky Business
Why no highlander?


Came to say the samething

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/city-...gationFlag=true


zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
03/27/17 03:11 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

 Originally Posted By: Wildout
 Originally Posted By: Risky Business
Why no highlander?


Came to say the samething

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/city-...gationFlag=true


I don't see very many in that price range for 2011. Most are 2009 or lower


Screamin Type ARGH!
(Post Master Supreme)
03/27/17 03:12 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

+1 for


**DONOTDELETE**
()
03/27/17 03:37 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

Out of those 4, the Cx9. Outside of that, Honda 4 lyfe.

loudsubz
(Post Master Supreme)
03/27/17 06:23 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

Was the outback too small?

zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
03/27/17 06:37 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

Ya can't get anyone between the two kids seats. Well they fit but not comfy at all. Even the dog can't find a place to sit back there. He is big though, German Shepard x with a golden retriever.
We do a fair bit of driving for camping and to visit family and more room will be nice
The extra two seats would be so great. So many time family has some to visit and we end up taking two cars.
I don't need a lecture about fitting everything into what we have now, blah blah. I got a deal on the Subaru when we bought to so if I get 10 out of it if we trade it in with tax savings I would be happy And I would rather just trade it in than try to sell privately.


loudsubz
(Post Master Supreme)
03/27/17 06:41 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

No I agree with you it's a little cramped and not very tall. I love mine regardless and will keep it untill we have 2 and need the extra space

SW20_MR2
(Post Master Sr)
03/27/17 06:42 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

Buy an AWD Sienna. Moves your extra family and dogs in comfort. Who cares what it looks like.

zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
03/27/17 08:29 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

 Originally Posted By: loudsubz
No I agree with you it's a little cramped and not very tall. I love mine regardless and will keep it untill we have 2 and need the extra space


The height hurts. If it wasn't so damn slow I would drive it lol. Actually forget slow. With all the hills around here the 4cyl is just too small a motor for the size of the car and fuel mileage nose dives


zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
03/27/17 08:38 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

 Originally Posted By: SW20_MR2
Buy an AWD Sienna. Moves your extra family and dogs in comfort. Who cares what it looks like.


Wife doesnt wanna give in and get a minivan haha


Screamin Type ARGH!
(Post Master Supreme)
03/27/17 09:27 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

used Pilot's too much still huh?

The Postman
(Post Master Sr)
03/27/17 09:36 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

MDX?

Risky Business
(Post Master Supreme)
03/27/17 10:49 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

I know you are not going to get the Venza, but when I was doing my research the car won on so many different levels and this is one of them (space). It's a very wide vehicle and I always wanted to be able to carry two car seats and my MIL if I had to...and yes you can.

This is from Toyota nation (also the v6 hauls ass)

 Quote:
We bought the Venza specifically because it was the widest 4 cylinder on the market. We have three car seats in the rear. Two of them are Sunshine Radians (for a one and three year old), and the other is a Graco booster (for a six year old) with back attached. They fit with more than enough room between the car seat and the booster for the oldest to do up his own seat belt. If in doubt get three Sunshine Radians, they are the narrowest car seats you can get. They are pricey, but very well built. We have wider car seats in our van. You could fit them in the Venza, but it is much more difficult. If you can't get them in the Venza then you are going to be getting a minivan or a three row SUV. There is nothing with more hip room measurement then the Venza. Good luck.


Also this:

 Quote:
yes, and 2 child seats will fit on the 60% rear seat, allowing you to drop down the 40% rear seat to make more room to carry a bulky object in the back cargo area



It's such a great car, it's not as big of a barge as an SUV has utility, you don't have to pay 3rd row SUV premium, look great, the AWD system is on par if not better than Subaru's (watch the test comparisons yourself - not that it matters since we are splitting hairs, but worth noting).



CIVIC dude
(Post Master Supreme)
03/27/17 10:58 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

Highlander - on your driveway tonight gone in the morning!!! Extremely high theft rate. Shipped overseas in a day.

That mkt looks like a funeral hurse .... why not check out its equivalent the explorer?

Tons to pick from... colour/options/ km/ price.

Found one :

2011 Ford Explorer Limited power fold rear seats and DVD. Headrests.
http://m.autotrader.ca/a/5_29518323


zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
03/28/17 07:50 AM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

 Originally Posted By: Screamin DC2R
used Pilot's too much still huh?


They are so ugly haha, even inside is so bad

 Originally Posted By: The Postman
MDX?

Thought about that too, fuel mileage on 09s and down is terrible, 10 and up seems better, I think I need to have another look

 Originally Posted By: Risky Business
I know you are not going to get the Venza, but when I was doing my research the car won on so many different levels and this is one of them (space). It's a very wide vehicle and I always wanted to be able to carry two car seats and my MIL if I had to...and yes you can.

This is from Toyota nation (also the v6 hauls ass)

 Quote:
We bought the Venza specifically because it was the widest 4 cylinder on the market. We have three car seats in the rear. Two of them are Sunshine Radians (for a one and three year old), and the other is a Graco booster (for a six year old) with back attached. They fit with more than enough room between the car seat and the booster for the oldest to do up his own seat belt. If in doubt get three Sunshine Radians, they are the narrowest car seats you can get. They are pricey, but very well built. We have wider car seats in our van. You could fit them in the Venza, but it is much more difficult. If you can't get them in the Venza then you are going to be getting a minivan or a three row SUV. There is nothing with more hip room measurement then the Venza. Good luck.


Also this:

 Quote:
yes, and 2 child seats will fit on the 60% rear seat, allowing you to drop down the 40% rear seat to make more room to carry a bulky object in the back cargo area



It's such a great car, it's not as big of a barge as an SUV has utility, you don't have to pay 3rd row SUV premium, look great, the AWD system is on par if not better than Subaru's (watch the test comparisons yourself - not that it matters since we are splitting hairs, but worth noting).



Actually before we got the Subaru the Venza was going to be the car we bought, but at that time my wife wanted another manual trans, so that got nixed.
It's still a tempting choice, but I think we could make more use of something with more seats


zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
03/28/17 07:52 AM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

 Originally Posted By: CIVIC dude
Highlander - on your driveway tonight gone in the morning!!! Extremely high theft rate. Shipped overseas in a day.

That mkt looks like a funeral hurse .... why not check out its equivalent the explorer?

Tons to pick from... colour/options/ km/ price.

Found one :

2011 Ford Explorer Limited power fold rear seats and DVD. Headrests.
http://m.autotrader.ca/a/5_29518323


151k though. It's the same chassis as the Lincoln but they are more expensive, I guess because the MKT looks are subjective lol

The flex is kinda tempting
http://bestbuyauto.carpages.ca/used/2303097/Scarborough/2010-Ford-Flex


Risky Business
(Post Master Supreme)
03/28/17 07:56 AM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

I like the flex.

zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
03/28/17 07:58 AM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

hmmmmm

http://www.autotrader.ca/a/Acura/MDX/Tor...O&orup=7_15_146


markw
(Post Master Supreme)
03/28/17 08:08 AM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

 Originally Posted By: Wildout
 Originally Posted By: Risky Business
Why no highlander?


Came to say the samething

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/city-...gationFlag=true

First choice


Second choice

 Originally Posted By: zc911
 Originally Posted By: CIVIC dude
Highlander - on your driveway tonight gone in the morning!!! Extremely high theft rate. Shipped overseas in a day.

That mkt looks like a funeral hurse .... why not check out its equivalent the explorer?

Tons to pick from... colour/options/ km/ price.

Found one :

2011 Ford Explorer Limited power fold rear seats and DVD. Headrests.
http://m.autotrader.ca/a/5_29518323


151k though. It's the same chassis as the Lincoln but they are more expensive, I guess because the MKT looks are subjective lol

The flex is kinda tempting
http://bestbuyauto.carpages.ca/used/2303097/Scarborough/2010-Ford-Flex


Third


porschetr
(Post Master Supreme)
03/28/17 08:36 AM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

Whatever you get, stay away from Chrysler/Jeep.

zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
03/28/17 08:46 AM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

 Originally Posted By: porschetr
Whatever you get, stay away from Chrysler/Jeep.


everyone says that but my 2007 grand cheroke has been great. I've put almost 100,000km on it since I bought it, other than maintance stuff (tires, brakes), the only stupid thing that died was the turn signal stalk.


87ZCSi
(Post Master Sr)
03/28/17 08:56 AM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

Looks like you've decided to keep that for yourself? Nothing crazy for you coming down the way?

A friend has the CX-9, likes it for what it is but wouldn't do it again if it wasn't for wanting the rear row which has been used 5x in 2 years.


zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
03/28/17 09:00 AM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

ya wife doesn't like driving it very much. And I like it and I need it to tow so it's not going anywhere

I added a font bumper to it on the weekend haha.
Next up 4 inch superlift, maybe lol



87ZCSi
(Post Master Sr)
03/28/17 09:14 AM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

Fair enough, you seem to like it or at least be able to live with it without complaint. What was the motivation behind the bumper?

You seem to be in the fairly common situation of wanting an SUV that is as useful as a minivan. It's not easy, I tell the wife we'll only try for 1 kid. Honestly the 4Runner has been great, you'd never know it's got the miles it has, I'd buy it again for simple wagon type transportation. I looked at those MDX's but didn't want to spend the money and I'm glad I didn't.


zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
03/28/17 09:33 AM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

#1 I just like it, #2, added weight over the front end. When towing the front end was really light. It's a short wheel base, so some added weight sticking way out front should help, it's 70kg.

loudsubz
(Post Master Supreme)
03/28/17 09:46 AM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

 Originally Posted By: zc911
 Originally Posted By: loudsubz
No I agree with you it's a little cramped and not very tall. I love mine regardless and will keep it untill we have 2 and need the extra space


The height hurts. If it wasn't so damn slow I would drive it lol. Actually forget slow. With all the hills around here the 4cyl is just too small a motor for the size of the car and fuel mileage nose dives


Too bad it wasn't the 3.6, it's night and day, gobs of torque


loudsubz
(Post Master Supreme)
03/28/17 09:52 AM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

 Originally Posted By: porschetr
Whatever you get, stay away from Chrysler/Jeep.


Agree! My dad is looking to unload his 2012 Durango r/t because it's a money pit

Ac lines went (common issue, super expensive to fix, same with caravan)
Hose clamp just blew and caused engine overheat and starter fried
Had issue with brake master cylinder or something related
Other small issues that added up

He's looking into getting a ridgeline


zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
03/28/17 09:56 AM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

 Originally Posted By: loudsubz
 Originally Posted By: zc911
 Originally Posted By: loudsubz
No I agree with you it's a little cramped and not very tall. I love mine regardless and will keep it untill we have 2 and need the extra space


The height hurts. If it wasn't so damn slow I would drive it lol. Actually forget slow. With all the hills around here the 4cyl is just too small a motor for the size of the car and fuel mileage nose dives


Too bad it wasn't the 3.6, it's night and day, gobs of torque


It's too bad they never offered a manual for that motor.


zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
03/28/17 09:57 AM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

 Originally Posted By: loudsubz
 Originally Posted By: porschetr
Whatever you get, stay away from Chrysler/Jeep.


Agree! My dad is looking to unload his 2012 Durango r/t because it's a money pit

Ac lines went (common issue, super expensive to fix, same with caravan)
Hose clamp just blew and caused engine overheat and starter fried
Had issue with brake master cylinder or something related
Other small issues that added up

He's looking into getting a ridgeline


OUCH! I did have a rental 2014 Jeep grand Cherokee and I did not like it, that stupid 8 spd trans was annoying.


zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
03/28/17 11:52 AM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

http://www.autotrader.ca/a/Ford/Flex/Tho...O&orup=14_15_48


They do 0-60 in 6s, and run in the low 14s in 1/4 mile
A reflash gets you into the 13s.


CIVIC dude
(Post Master Supreme)
03/28/17 12:57 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

 Originally Posted By: zc911


151k though. It's the same chassis as the Lincoln but they are more expensive, I guess because the MKT looks are subjective lol



151km since it has the rear entertainment you want. Tons more out there with less km without that feature.

Too be honest I'd save the money and use an iPad. Way more bang for your buck. 5-6 year old cars with those screens are old school and waste of extra money to buy the vehicle with it.


loudsubz
(Post Master Supreme)
03/28/17 12:59 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

Plus much cheaper to fix/replace when the in car entertainment system dies by using a tablet

zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
03/28/17 01:24 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

ehhh I dunno, the one in my 07 works just fine, and they don't have anything in their hands to fling at their sibling lol

Going to go check out the flex tonight
http://www.autotrader.ca/a/Ford/Flex/Tho...O&orup=14_15_48


zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
03/28/17 01:25 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

 Originally Posted By: CIVIC dude
 Originally Posted By: zc911


151k though. It's the same chassis as the Lincoln but they are more expensive, I guess because the MKT looks are subjective lol



151km since it has the rear entertainment you want. Tons more out there with less km without that feature.

Too be honest I'd save the money and use an iPad. Way more bang for your buck. 5-6 year old cars with those screens are old school and waste of extra money to buy the vehicle with it.


Ya but then price goes way up with low k


titty sprinkles
(Post Master Supreme)
03/28/17 02:48 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

out of the choices i say CX9.

zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
03/28/17 08:28 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

Went to check out that Flex. Sold before we got there \:\(
Tons of space inside wife likes it.


Polkaroo
(Jr Poster)
03/28/17 09:17 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

 Originally Posted By: zc911
I did have a rental 2014 Jeep grand Cherokee and I did not like it, that stupid 8 spd trans was annoying.
that zf 8 speed comes in just about everything these days. great box.


The Postman
(Post Master Sr)
03/28/17 11:30 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

RDX?

iamfob
(Post Master Supreme)
03/29/17 09:16 AM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

 Originally Posted By: SW20_MR2
Buy an AWD Sienna. Moves your extra family and dogs in comfort. Who cares what it looks like.

+1

I don't understand a lot of people are not considering the minivan. Is it because stereotype of driving a minivan? If I have a family with kids, I am picking minivan over any SUV period

Also fuck Mazda until they fix their rust issue. I still see a lot of 4-5 years old Mazda (all models) starting to rust. It's bad.

The Lincoln MKT is ugly af


iamfob
(Post Master Supreme)
03/29/17 09:19 AM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

2012 GMC Arcadia or Chevrolet Traverse?
http://www.autotrader.ca/a/GMC/Acadia/Ha...O&orup=76_15_76

I drove one as a rental in Boston with the 3rd row seats, engine is smooth and not bad on fuel for the size of vehicle.


Screamin Type ARGH!
(Post Master Supreme)
03/29/17 12:12 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife



Or the cheaper Dodge one \:D


87ZCSi
(Post Master Sr)
03/29/17 12:14 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

Friend of mine drives a sprinter daily, it's not bad, hard to park downtown.

zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
03/29/17 01:18 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

haha that would be awesome

Little tempted by Mercedes the R320/R350 diesel


87ZCSi
(Post Master Sr)
03/29/17 03:52 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

Why just a little tempted? Go drive one, I'm sure the resale has plummeted already.

zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
03/29/17 04:49 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

German electronics ! A BMW X5 diesel is in price range too but scared of BMW failures lol

87ZCSi
(Post Master Sr)
03/29/17 05:31 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

Isn't the Jeep equipped with German running gear? Have I got my generations wrong?

zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
03/29/17 08:39 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

true, but it doesn't have stuff like air suspension. Just the motor is german, the rest is Dodge, unsure if thats better or worse lol

zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
03/29/17 08:41 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

http://www.autotrader.ca/a/Mercedes-Benz...O&orup=28_15_32

this is the one i was looking at
You can get an ECU flash to disable the 3 points of failure on the motor. the EGR, the swirl valve, and the add blue crap.
I have the ECU flash on the jeep that disabled the EGR and the swirl valve, and i went one step further and deleted the DPF, so i can run real oil, not that low ash crap.


87ZCSi
(Post Master Sr)
03/30/17 01:28 AM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

I think you're handy enough to overcome some pesky stuff and take advantage of low resale.

Risky Business
(Post Master Supreme)
03/30/17 07:35 AM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

I'd get the flex over benz R class...it's also a van \:\| with a fancy badge.

zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
03/30/17 08:00 AM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

R class gets much better fuel mileage being a diesel

Risky Business
(Post Master Supreme)
03/30/17 08:04 AM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

Get a dodge journey, comes with 3rd row and gets pretty good mileage

zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
03/30/17 08:06 AM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

no thanks \:D My wife wants the R class, doh. Acutally called and said can we go check out the white one, I really like it

Risky Business
(Post Master Supreme)
03/30/17 08:14 AM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

Yup, you just bought the R class basically.

congrats \:\)


87ZCSi
(Post Master Sr)
03/30/17 08:42 AM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

Note the missing wheel bolt front right, kinda ghetto (sign of maintenance style?), and it looks like they've had it 9 months.

zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
03/30/17 09:11 AM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

Yup thanks noticed that, it's been up since it was 32deg out lol
Kinda odd


LNXGUY
(Post Master Supreme)
03/30/17 01:22 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

Are swirl flaps that big of a diesel in the Mercedes engines? I've got them in mine, some guys delete them some guys don't.

zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
03/30/17 02:26 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

Yup, they fail, good explanation here
https://pawlikautomotive.com/2008-jeep-grand-cherokee-diesel-swirl-valve-motor/

50 cent fix
https://conflictedracer.wordpress.com/20...d-resistor-mod/

Or ECU flash does away with it and defaults them open all the time.


Hatorade
(Post Master Supreme)
03/30/17 02:41 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

 Originally Posted By: LNXGUY
Are swirl flaps that big of a diesel in the Mercedes engines? I've got them in mine, some guys delete them some guys don't.


I'm 99.9% positive that yours doesn't have swirl flaps. The EU motors had them.


Just A Troll
(Post Master)
03/30/17 04:16 PM
Re: can't decide on a used SUV for the wife

 Originally Posted By: zc911
no thanks \:D My wife wants the R class, doh. Acutally called and said can we go check out the white one, I really like it


Before you buy, plug into a diagnostics machine and see how many codes it throws.

Rs depreciate fast for a reason.