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Now all those Vancouver Chinese buyers will come here instead. |
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Aren't Chinese super stuck up when it comes to this shit? Like they will scoff at you if you go to Toronto from Van because you can't afford it, so you are therefore a peasant bottom feeding dirt peep? It's like Chinese here, if you can't buy in Markham and go to Scarborough you are basically cut off |
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Good! It's the exact reason the tax was implemented. It's a problem right now driving up prices to rediculous levels so people that actually live here can't afford a home. |
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So you are saying we should violate all the treaties that we have with other countries regarding equal treatment of investors? Treaties like NAFTA, and then put tax payers on the hook for settlement so that people in Vancouver can buy a cheaper house. Yeah, fuck that. If you can't afford Vancouver, move. http://www.straight.com/news/746041/trad...-violates-nafta |
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Not surprised. When someone has a way for a get rich quick scheme; the gov't will find a way to take their cut. China will bitch but will still pay - Canada is a safe(r) haven to store their money than back home. They'll just eat this up as overhead / cost of doing business. |
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Originally Posted By: Risky Business Aren't Chinese super stuck up when it comes to this shit? Like they will scoff at you if you go to Toronto from Van because you can't afford it, so you are therefore a peasant bottom feeding dirt peep? It's like Chinese here, if you can't buy in Markham and go to Scarborough you are basically cut off Right So all those million dollar homes in the GTA being scooped up by Chinese are bottom feeding peasants. They really don't give a shit about Vancouver vs. Toronto. So long as their investment is protected from the government, that they can launder their ill gotten gains and their investment is gaining value, they really don't care if its Toronto or Vancouver. The only reason they favored Vancouver in the past had everything to do with Vancouver home prices increasing at a greater pace than anywhere else in North America. They'll just repeat the same scheme elsewhere. Next logical target: Toronto. In fact, they're already starting! Bro in Law from Gaungzhou wants to move 3 mil out of China and he's been asking about this 15% tax in Vancouver. He's now asking us to start looking around for a $2 Mil property in the GTA. I'm getting a bit excited about it! He has no plans to move to Canada, just park his money here. Hopefully we can "house sit" this 2 mil place. |
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Originally Posted By: Chocolate Canuck So you are saying we should violate all the treaties that we have with other countries regarding equal treatment of investors? Treaties like NAFTA, and then put tax payers on the hook for settlement so that people in Vancouver can buy a cheaper house. Yeah, fuck that. If you can't afford Vancouver, move. http://www.straight.com/news/746041/trad...-violates-nafta Yes. Also I can afford Vancouver but I know that 90% can't. I'm more concerned with the rest of Canada. |
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FYI I'm in open houses every weekend and it's all Chinese (mostly investors a lot of agents not even with clients). If you're just a regular person buying a house for your family to live I don't care what you are. When you're an outside investor driving up these rediculous prices and "game" that's going on I do have a problem. Having said that I get why is happening and I don't blame those doing it but measures have to be taken to curb what's happening to the destruction of affordability in Canada as a whole. I'm not even exaggerating at all 98% of everyone there is speaking Chinese. A little more than a coincidence. Like I said I'm all for anyone buying and living if you're actually living here and contributing and being part of society. |
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Originally Posted By: TheRealCSnapper sucks for the foreign nationals that are trying to settle here without an excessive amount of money It really is unfortunate - but what is happening here is even making it more unaffordable to them vs the tax. 10-20-30% annual increases in average selling price per year is much worse than a 1 time 15% tax. |
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According to my agents, it is already driving up Toronto housing |
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Originally Posted By: Just A Troll Originally Posted By: Risky Business Aren't Chinese super stuck up when it comes to this shit? Like they will scoff at you if you go to Toronto from Van because you can't afford it, so you are therefore a peasant bottom feeding dirt peep? It's like Chinese here, if you can't buy in Markham and go to Scarborough you are basically cut off Right So all those million dollar homes in the GTA being scooped up by Chinese are bottom feeding peasants. They really don't give a shit about Vancouver vs. Toronto. So long as their investment is protected from the government, that they can launder their ill gotten gains and their investment is gaining value, they really don't care if its Toronto or Vancouver. The only reason they favored Vancouver in the past had everything to do with Vancouver home prices increasing at a greater pace than anywhere else in North America. They'll just repeat the same scheme elsewhere. Next logical target: Toronto. In fact, they're already starting! Bro in Law from Gaungzhou wants to move 3 mil out of China and he's been asking about this 15% tax in Vancouver. He's now asking us to start looking around for a $2 Mil property in the GTA. I'm getting a bit excited about it! He has no plans to move to Canada, just park his money here. Hopefully we can "house sit" this 2 mil place. so cool man, humblebrag some more!!! |
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Originally Posted By: JEFFOS FYI I'm in open houses every weekend and it's all Chinese (mostly investors a lot of agents not even with clients). If you're just a regular person buying a house for your family to live I don't care what you are. When you're an outside investor driving up these rediculous prices and "game" that's going on I do have a problem. Having said that I get why is happening and I don't blame those doing it but measures have to be taken to curb what's happening to the destruction of affordability in Canada as a whole. I'm not even exaggerating at all 98% of everyone there is speaking Chinese. A little more than a coincidence. Like I said I'm all for anyone buying and living if you're actually living here and contributing and being part of society. Is it even worth buying at this point? Unless you find some private sale deal I don't know |
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Probably isn't to be honest but what can you do. Pretty funny these days a high income means you can own a normal decent house. Can't last forever unfortunately. To be honest at what point do people just say F-it and move somewhere else where at least the weather is good and without all of the excessive taxing? Cali pricing without the weather. |
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Can you tell I'm passionate about this? Lol |
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Well if you are adamant about home ownership there are always condos, that's probably one not so overpriced option where you can get a 2 story (decently sized unit) for like 7ish in a good location? |
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Or do the warehouse conversion thing I talked about before... |
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The Chinese have started to buy in Quebec, will buy a house, leave it vacant and just move to Vancouver. |
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Originally Posted By: JEFFOS Originally Posted By: TheRealCSnapper sucks for the foreign nationals that are trying to settle here without an excessive amount of money It really is unfortunate - but what is happening here is even making it more unaffordable to them vs the tax. 10-20-30% annual increases in average selling price per year is much worse than a 1 time 15% tax. on top of the increases, they're double fucked with the one time tax hit tho! |
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That makes as much sense as c2k's posts, possibly more. |
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Originally Posted By: Risky Business That makes as much sense as c2k's posts, possibly more. it may make sense if they just want to park their money outside of china to hide from the gov't and not concerned with growth. |
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Originally Posted By: JEFFOS Probably isn't to be honest but what can you do. Pretty funny these days a high income means you can own a normal decent house. Can't last forever unfortunately. To be honest at what point do people just say F-it and move somewhere else where at least the weather is good and without all of the excessive taxing? Cali pricing without the weather. cali pricing without the weather but we got teh jerbz! given our fairly decent climate (seasons exist, but nothing shitty like earthquakes/tornadoes etc), cultural diversity, job opportunities, political stability etc...i'm surprised that housing is not MORE expensive... |
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Our pay isn't in line with more expensive housing markets. |
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Originally Posted By: TheRealCSnapper Originally Posted By: JEFFOS Probably isn't to be honest but what can you do. Pretty funny these days a high income means you can own a normal decent house. Can't last forever unfortunately. To be honest at what point do people just say F-it and move somewhere else where at least the weather is good and without all of the excessive taxing? Cali pricing without the weather. cali pricing without the weather but we got teh jerbz! given our fairly decent climate (seasons exist, but nothing shitty like earthquakes/tornadoes etc), cultural diversity, job opportunities, political stability etc...i'm surprised that housing is not MORE expensive... Average sale prices in the GTA are up 3% since you finished typing that post. |
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Originally Posted By: Not Dank Originally Posted By: TheRealCSnapper Originally Posted By: JEFFOS Probably isn't to be honest but what can you do. Pretty funny these days a high income means you can own a normal decent house. Can't last forever unfortunately. To be honest at what point do people just say F-it and move somewhere else where at least the weather is good and without all of the excessive taxing? Cali pricing without the weather. cali pricing without the weather but we got teh jerbz! given our fairly decent climate (seasons exist, but nothing shitty like earthquakes/tornadoes etc), cultural diversity, job opportunities, political stability etc...i'm surprised that housing is not MORE expensive... Average sale prices in the GTA are up 3% since you finished typing that post. Wynne just added on a "Cali pricing mention" tax for saying that. Of course this tax has pst, hst and zht on it. (If you don't know what zht is then trust me we can't afford it) |
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Originally Posted By: porschetr Now all those Vancouver Chinese buyers will come here instead. Funny enough, the last three homes sold on my street have been the highest prices for the street... one was 160k over, one was 140k over, and the other 125k over. Also the first three Chinese buyers on the street.. |
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This just in, Wynne introduced ZHT tax: Monitoring CSI paid off Oh, you make 500k a year? Sure you can have a little scarborough war home at a generous 650 sq. ft: Millions to mark trasgender as a gender? Problem? |
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Yes, yes little man, you must choose a gender in grade 1: |
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Jeff, you better buy soon before this spills over to the GTA Victoria can't be that attractive to the chinks |
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LMAO at wynn pics above. bros $1.75 mil asking sells for $2.55 mil, such prestigious much richmond hill, vas triggered. L E L (yes this happened, got the flyer last week to show the sale...the amt of those chinese agent flyers i get it becoming annoying as hell. yes i know you sold EVERY house for a bazillion over asking, now fuck off) |
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What's crazy is that these chinese investors aren't even considered "wealthy" in china. They're all "middle class rich". These rich mainlanders don't care about the tax. They are only concerned with taking their money out of China and storing it. The appreciation in real estate is just a bonus. Unless a recession hits Canada (recession come every 10 years, its been 8 years now since 2008), the money will keep coming. In China, it's like a dog eat dog world. Man they are not civilized like Canadians, theyre just down right grimy and willing to do whatever it takes to survive. I think this is why the Mainlanders are taking the world by storm. They just don't give a f. |
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Originally Posted By: Hatorade And sleep in IKEA. Yiiiisssss |
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Originally Posted By: Chocolate Canuck On airplane seats? Backstory? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ECATE-seat.html http://hongkong.coconuts.co/2015/03/03/n...ids-poop-toilet http://shanghaiist.com/2015/08/17/parents-let-child-defecate-cabin-guangzhou-bound-plane.php and that's just what's been reported. i wouldn't want to know what's happened on tons of domestic china airlines flights lol. more recently though is the shit behaviour of mainlander adults on planes and even at gate terminals apparently. lady throwing coffee into flight attendants face, another slapping one, then fights amongst passengers more than a few times (even a co-pilot coming to get involved or something in one story). Then you have passengers bitching at and almost assaulting gate staff because the customer themselves was LATE for their own fucking flight. |
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**shit son** hk washroon PWNED by mainlander |
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Originally Posted By: f22b-dohc *shudders* that brings back horrid flashback from working at a shop that's dominated with Vietnamese workers who often skydump on the toilet. |
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Originally Posted By: OracerO recession come every 10 years, its been 8 years now since 2008 The only problem with this statement is that there was no true recession in 2008, at least not in Canada. |
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How do you define/identify the recession and when did it begin? This is a thread re: real estate and unless I've been living in a cave, I don't see any recession impacting our real estate market such as the one in the U.S. |
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Euphoric is all about that doom and gloom, i believe we were all supposed to be homeless by now, we are always in depression as far as he is concerned. Let's all wait for the good old days: |
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The recession is coming... got an offer today on one of my houses for 500K below asking. |
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We were in one. The Govt refused to call it one. There was plenty of reporting in the news on it. This was near the end of harper. And no it didn't do anything to real estate at the time. |
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http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/technical-recession-in-canada-despite-strong-june-statscan-1.2542274 it was around this time last year that we were in a "technical recession" |
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No surprises here... curious to see when the market will get crazier. Quote: The report, released Tuesday by Sotheby's International Realty Canada in conjunction with Juwai.com, said Chinese inquiries for listings in the Vancouver market slumped by 81 per cent year over year in July 2016, the month the 15 per cent tax was announced. Quote: The report says interest from prospective real estate purchasers on Juwai.com immediately shifted into other Canadian markets following the tax's implementation. Property inquiries shot up by 1,050 per cent and 420 per cent year over year in Calgary during August and September, respectively. Searches of the Toronto market rose 62 per cent year over year in August and 72 per cent in September. In Montreal, there was a dip in August, before a resurgence of 152 per cent year over year in September. Link: http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/juwai-sotheby-china-canada-searches-1.4013285 |
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It's funny to hear people here in Oregon complaining about real estate prices with all the Californians moving up and Seattle people moving down since it's the cheapest city on the West. Sure, it's gone through the roof! Now married 20-somethings get a detached bungalow in a good area rather than 2 story house for their $3xx. Toronto is stupid. Jeff what's your latest update? |
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Jeff, I hope you got over your emotions and just picked something up as the prices probably went up by 500K? since you started looking (except Oakville... seems like this stuck up city (nice "downtown" though) has been the slowest in the GTA to appreciate)? I recently saw on the news that a teardown bungalow at Danforth/Pape sold for 1M?!?! Fuck! I sold my fully renno'd 2 storey detached (3 beds 2 baths upstairs, 1 ensuite in basement) for only 1.1M almost a year ago (paid 780... was content with 100K profit at the time). And before we bash the foreign Chinese buyers for causing this real estate "bubble"... I highly doubt its the Chinese that wants a teardown bungalow in East York/Danforth Village. I've sold 2 homes in the area and they were both to young white people, domestic buyers. |
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Originally Posted By: 87ZCSi It's funny to hear people here in Oregon complaining about real estate prices with all the Californians moving up and Seattle people moving down since it's the cheapest city on the West. Sure, it's gone through the roof! Now married 20-somethings get a detached bungalow in a good area rather than 2 story house for their $3xx. Toronto is stupid. Jeff what's your latest update? It's also funny that my neighbours are complaining that people are destroying the neighbourhood by cutting down mature trees and building McMansions but they are silent that their 50 year old tear down bungalow in suburb MARKHAM on a 60 x 110 lot is worth $2.2 million. My buddy (domestic buyer, raised in Ottawa) recently bought this |
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Some shady shit going on my hood now, some foreign family is buying up homes exclusively (private) for 200-300k over bidding war prices as long as you sell private on specific streets - i happen to be on one of them. Let's say a bungalow will go for 1.3 through the normal process, they will give you 1.5 if you sell direct without listing with some INSANE deposits. I have the agent's card on my table (thanks to an anon CSIer) and i am looking at it every hour, they've already picked up a few homes in the last month all well over a mil for their "family members". |
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Originally Posted By: Risky Business Some shady shit going on my hood now, some foreign family is buying up homes exclusively (private) for 200-300k over bidding war prices as long as you sell private on specific streets - i happen to be on one of them. Let's say a bungalow will go for 1.3 through the normal process, they will give you 1.5 if you sell direct without listing with some INSANE deposits. I have the agent's card on my table (thanks to an anon CSIer) and i am looking at it every hour, they've already picked up a few homes in the last month all well over a mil for their "family members". They are trying to control supply. They don't want to go through MLS because that would be very public (details for private sales can still be found through the Land Registry but if not advertised, how would one know what's been sold?). In a few years, they will sell their custom homes for a very high price and since they own several properties, they can "collude" (not sure if I'm using the right term) and not give in to lowballs. A good example is the Angus Glen - West Village neighbourhood. The owners are generally well off and don't need to sell but will sell for a good price. Everyone slaps on a retarded list price, no major discounts, and eventually they get the price. My 50' lot, 2 car garage was asking for $3M and I sold it for $2.8M after 7 months on the market (no breaks and showings every weekend). Got a few lowballs of $2.5M but if I was desperate and accepted the lowball offer, it would fuck up the comparables for everyone in the area. |
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Your theory sounds pretty far fetched, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it's exactly what they are thinking. They also aren't Chinese |
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Originally Posted By: Choco 'Nuck *DEADED* |
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Originally Posted By: Risky Business Some shady shit going on my hood now, some foreign family is buying up homes exclusively (private) for 200-300k over bidding war prices as long as you sell private on specific streets - i happen to be on one of them. Let's say a bungalow will go for 1.3 through the normal process, they will give you 1.5 if you sell direct without listing with some INSANE deposits. I have the agent's card on my table (thanks to an anon CSIer) and i am looking at it every hour, they've already picked up a few homes in the last month all well over a mil for their "family members". Sounds like gentrification. |
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http://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/homeandpr...21yD?li=AAggNb9 ffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
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Originally Posted By: Screamin DC2R http://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/homeandproperty/big-homes-little-prices-you-can-buy-a-lot-for-a-little/ar-AAo21yD?li=AAggNb9 ffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu man, look at all these reasonably priced gigantic homes in all these diverse metropolitans! god damn Toronto Liberal! #Horseface #JustineTrudeau #MAGA |
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Originally Posted By: Risky Business Your theory sounds pretty far fetched, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it's exactly what they are thinking. They also aren't Chinese moniessssss laundering! |
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Originally Posted By: Risky Business Some shady shit going on my hood now, some foreign family is buying up homes exclusively (private) for 200-300k over bidding war prices as long as you sell private on specific streets - i happen to be on one of them. Let's say a bungalow will go for 1.3 through the normal process, they will give you 1.5 if you sell direct without listing with some INSANE deposits. I have the agent's card on my table (thanks to an anon CSIer) and i am looking at it every hour, they've already picked up a few homes in the last month all well over a mil for their "family members". If you think they'd be interested in a spot by the new 412.... pass that card over my way asap |
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I hope this happens! http://m.metronews.ca/#/article/news/tor...ing-market.html Although if this does happen, does that mean Markham will become a ghost town again? |
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Originally Posted By: c2k I hope this happens! http://m.metronews.ca/#/article/news/tor...ing-market.html Although if this does happen, does that mean Markham will become a ghost town again? We might, we might, we may. Man our government is terrible and slow. Also no shit the real estate association doesn't want the tax lol |
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The Chinese here in Canada aren't even in the top top 7% of wealth. They are more like the bottom 10% of wealth. But think about it, 1.3billion people and 10% are "rich". |
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Originally Posted By: Just A Troll Originally Posted By: Risky Business Some shady shit going on my hood now, some foreign family is buying up homes exclusively (private) for 200-300k over bidding war prices as long as you sell private on specific streets - i happen to be on one of them. Let's say a bungalow will go for 1.3 through the normal process, they will give you 1.5 if you sell direct without listing with some INSANE deposits. I have the agent's card on my table (thanks to an anon CSIer) and i am looking at it every hour, they've already picked up a few homes in the last month all well over a mil for their "family members". Sounds like gentrification. 200k over is to cheap already these days. With supply being super limited. I would still list it on the open market. Doesnt hurt to try and if you don't get what youre asking for, you don't have to sell. |
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Just read most of this thread below real quick. Pure comedy and depression in one. The best part is reading posts by people who are still very much active. http://forums.clubsi.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/7320859/fpart/1 |
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Originally Posted By: OracerO 200k over is to cheap already these days. TIL 200k over is cheap these days. |
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I'm all for the tax. Intact. Increase it. They gonna pay anyways, might as well gouge back. Did anyone see the article in cp24 saying the reason Chinese are buy all the property is for schooling. I call bullshit |
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Originally Posted By: Low_Budget_Honda I'm all for the tax. Intact. Increase it. They gonna pay anyways, might as well gouge back. Did anyone see the article in cp24 saying the reason Chinese are buy all the property is for schooling. I call bullshit Ugh that's actually somewhat true. But what do I know, it's not like I have family friends that have done this. |
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Quote: ON TORONTO'S ROARING HOUSING MARKET: “The housing market in Toronto is definitely something that’s going to come down, and come down with a bang. Not enough is being done in order to control it. This is just an accident [waiting] to happen.” https://www.bnn.ca/toronto-housing-will-come-down-with-a-bang-stephen-jarislowsky-1.696204 |
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Originally Posted By: c2k http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/03/13/toronto-housing-bubble-24-months_n_15335246.html Bring it. Quote: continued income growth Quote: the rate of home construction in the Toronto area is “well above historical norms.” |