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200 whp b16a street build up results
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i have been working on an NA b16a street build up for the last few months. my goal was to make 200 whp from the 1595cc b16a motor on 91 octane. several people and companies kicked down parts for the build. we basically used a stock bottom end and many more oem parts to reach our goal. we dynoed the 2000 si on 2 different dynoes a few days ago and had an average whp between the 2 of 201 whp. one of the dynoes was very low reading compared to other dynoes in my area. besides that we video taped the entire process and will be releasing it for viewing so ppl will have an example to fallow. the reason i did this is to help prevent ppl from making mistakes or taking a dead end build rout. there is a lot of misinformation on the web sites that are dedicated to honda tuning. this misinformation leads ppl on wild goose chases in their quest for power and needless meandering around. which causes ppl to get lost in a sea of information. seeing is believing and thats why i had everything video taped. it took 9 days @18-20 hours per day. the dynoes will be posted on ef-1/main.com. by the way the compression was 11.5 and we dynoed with a full exhaust and intake. all the video trailers will be veiwable on intertune.tv in a few weeks after we get things edited. stay tuned
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Beave0101
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(servant of egosgame)
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10/31/03 11:54 AM
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Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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and to follow along...
http://ef-1.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=171
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=639897
just for reference since i"m not sure what tuner shops you were all working with, but for comparisons sake, what two dyno's did you run @ ?
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Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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Great work.
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shivers
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(Sr Member)
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10/31/03 02:15 PM
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Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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Way to go, Omniman. I've been following the build-up since day one. 
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Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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ironically we dynoed on the two dyno's that tune the only 2 all motor 9 sec. cars. which is trackmasters (leslie durst 9.93) and churches automotive testing (ericks racing 9.99) one was a dyno jet and the other was a dynapac. the dyno jet at track masters is a very consevative dyno we made 195 .somthing and churches we made 206.5. i wanted to do a 3rd dyno but we ran out of time. none the less the average beween the 2 reached our goal. both dyno facilities were very helpfull and i thank them for their time and efforts. shawn and bubba are both excellent tuners.
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Beave0101
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(servant of egosgame)
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10/31/03 05:52 PM
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Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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very interesting, especially since trackmasters has notoriously low numbers, very good work!
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Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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We wait patiently for your post on how to do this!
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Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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Good stuff.... but i thought oversized valves and radical cam's were kind of a no no. I woudl like for you to elaborate on that. 
I like the setup, and kudo's to you on the number's. But i also noticed that you used ITR head.  So the only thing B16 is the bottom end. So im guessing the oversized valve's and some milling of the head got you to 11.5?
None the less, good job. Cant wait to see the vid's. :thumbup:
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Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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Oversized valves???? I did not see anything about oversized valves, just high compression valves. Then again I just skimmed the other links.
Omniman,
Great work!!! I can’t wait to see all the video footage you guys took. I’m sure I can learn a great deal from this build up. Once again, very impressive work!! Two thumbs up!!!
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Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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Quote:
Oversized valves???? I did not see anything about oversized valves, just high compression valves. Then again I just skimmed the other links.
Omniman,
Great work!!! I can’t wait to see all the video footage you guys took. I’m sure I can learn a great deal from this build up. Once again, very impressive work!! Two thumbs up!!!
Arent they the same thing's.... or similar. Seeing as you just made that point, i really want someone to explain it to me... i = t3h stupid. 
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Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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If you look at stock valves you will notice they have a round recessed cut in them. Look at the first pic. Now if valve surface was flat, like in the seconded pic it will raise compression a bit. I wonder if you could actually dome the valve surface to raise compression even more….hmmmm……
Oversized valves allow more air into the combustion camber. They might also raise comp a bit, but I’m not sure about that.
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Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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there will be a video released in a month that will explain and show how i did this build. the information thats in the video will help better explain how things really work. also all the parts and modifications done to make this kind of power. for the record there was no over sized valves used. we only used a type-r head to save time. all the modifications to the head will be released in the video. there will also be a section on the transmission.
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Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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Sound's good, i would like to see this, so i can keep a few thing's in mind when im getting ready to do my buildup. 
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Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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i like how he was allegedy using lots of oem parts...i would love to see a buildup like that on a type R to see how much they could get out of it
Dave
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Bjorn
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(Post Master Sr)
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11/02/03 03:00 PM
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Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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very cool - I hope everything is fully explained in the vid
thanks for doing this - I don't have the cash to experiment, so every little "how-to" post is appreciated
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SiRkid
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(Post Master Sr)
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11/03/03 11:40 AM
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Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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very good stuff. cant wait for the vid.
screw all you b16 haters 
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Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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any news on the video release?
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shivers
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(Sr Member)
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12/04/03 01:45 PM
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Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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Quote:
any news on the video release?
Mike has been busy, but he's been making time to edit the video as much as he can.
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Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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i cant wait to see it
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mike is nearly half way done with the editing, so its getting close. i will let everyone know when its complete!
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Yep i talked to Mike and he said he is getting closer everyday
Steve did some wonderful things and he has so much brain power its amazing!
I would recommend this as a great source for anyone with a b16...
almost makes me want to sell my car and get one. so i too can redo this..
low expense > high hp output .. you win both ways!~!
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Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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any further updates? I wanna see this setup!
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we will have trailers up in the first week of january. from there its all down hill. we really thank you guys for being patient. we shot 23 hours of footage, plus we have to get the website up and running. not my area of expertise, but mike is doing a good job. since this is our first time we are gona be a little inefficient. sorry for the wait.
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Gooooooooood lordy, did you video tape the whole build up!!!! YAY!!!!! 2 more week's, i wanna see the vid already yo.
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ALkaLi
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(Jr Poster)
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12/29/03 08:22 PM
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this better not be as big of a letdown as ROTK was.
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any further updates? I wanna see this setup!
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How hard would it be to get a JDM ITR to 200HP? Good work by the way......shows that it doesn't take much to get good numbers...just knowledge.
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Beave0101
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(servant of egosgame)
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01/19/04 10:23 PM
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Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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heres a smidget of a slow downloading clip:
http://66.77.170.144/alan/intertune/Intertune2004.avi
Can't decide if it's a funny or embarrasing clip to watch (as a Honda owner)
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Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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*jumping up and down* i wanna see, i wanna see (the final one that is)
that video is funny!
and leaves you intrigued at the same time.
sweetness
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what format is the video going to be on? sorry if it was already discussed im lazy.
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Om1kron
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(Post Master)
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02/18/04 11:11 AM
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Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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can we go ahead and unsticky this godamn post, there is nothing in it and the link in it is dead, no good. No info at all is in this thread just some hoopla about a 200 whp build with no info attached to it.
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samkarp
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(Post Master Sr)
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02/18/04 11:13 AM
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I would but omniman is a moderator of the forum and would likely re-sticky it. I also do not unsticky posts that I did not make sticky in the first place.
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oparea
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(Post Master Sr)
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02/18/04 03:38 PM
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Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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Where the hell is the video or at least a little info on the build?
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we are having some time delays with the website. im really sorry for the delay, please be patient. i feel bad enough as it is. but somethings are out of my controll. trust me there is a lot of very usefull information in this video.
sam if you want to unsticky it go a head. the middle of march is our new date. i will repost when i have things in order
im sorry people.
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Quote:
we are having some time delays with the website. im really sorry for the delay, please be patient. i feel bad enough as it is. but somethings are out of my controll. trust me there is a lot of very usefull information in this video.
sam if you want to unsticky it go a head. the middle of march is our new date. i will repost when i have things in order
im sorry people.
are you the one on honda-tech (ominiman) (sp) that built the first ls-vtec?
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shivers
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(Sr Member)
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02/19/04 01:24 PM
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Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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are you the one on honda-tech (ominiman) (sp) that built the first ls-vtec?
Yes, he is the one and only omniman.
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Om1kron
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(Post Master)
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02/24/04 05:25 PM
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Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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The post has been updated, so my comments have been removed by myself.
Thank you for the update sir. No hard feelings
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is there a list we can get on to get imformation? or just check back here?
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http://www.browndogonline.com/intertune/
here is a link to the intertune tv website. a few trailers will be availible next week. progress is in motion. sorry for the wait.
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I'm just curious if this setup up is also CA smog legal?
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i dont see why it wouldnt if all the emissions equipment was hooked up and the stock ecu had some reprograming for obd-2 compliance.
the header might have to be replaced since its a slip tube.
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coo fuggin sweet trailer man
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Omniman, I had a quick question. Why did you go with the m22 cams from RM, instead of the all-so-popular m24a cams? Im looking at doing something like this buildup in my 99 Si, and Im wondering which pair to go with. Thanks!
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shivers
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(Sr Member)
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04/14/04 11:56 AM
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Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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Omniman, I had a quick question. Why did you go with the m22 cams from RM, instead of the all-so-popular m24a cams? Im looking at doing something like this buildup in my 99 Si, and Im wondering which pair to go with. Thanks!
The cams used were from Dynamic Autosport (I don't recall which ones specifically). The M24a is no longer in the RM product line and the M22 cams will be too big for a 1.6L. I've talked with Rocket at lengths about cams, compression, etc. for my current build.
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m22, m24?? cams?? wtf i never heard of those, someone needs to enlighten me
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m22, m24?? cams?? wtf i never heard of those, someone needs to enlighten me
http://www.m24x.com/bseries.html
im still new to these cams too, go here to check on them a little!
goto http://www.kteller.com to buy them.
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Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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Know any good place to collect info on the Dynamic autosport cams I cant seem to find any info or a place to buy them.
Thanks!
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