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#871202 - 01/03/07 10:34 PM Crank-scrapers anyone?
OnyxEros OnyxEros Post Master Supreme Registered: 02/17/03 Posts: 17517 Loc: Seattle	Anyone ever use them or know anyone that does? Here are mine _________________________ [quote=turbo_guy_fieri][quote=Kuku]Silence is consent[/quote] [/quote]
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#871253 - 01/03/07 10:43 PM Re: Crank-scrapers anyone? [Re: OnyxEros]
scootergeek scootergeek Post Master Supreme Registered: 07/24/00 Posts: 46248 Loc: East of St. Louis	We've got a less complicated crank scraper on the race car ('92 BMW 325is). cheers, scott _________________________ Still pissy after all these years...
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#871267 - 01/03/07 10:46 PM Re: Crank-scrapers anyone? [Re: OnyxEros]
ScottStaypuff ScottStaypuff Post Master Supreme Registered: 03/05/00 Posts: 25530 Loc: Ohio	http://www.crank-scrapers.com ?? I worked with Kevin Johnson to develop the "early" Chrysler 2.4 version. I got a freebie for it, then he sent me the updated version w/ teflon and baffles/trap doors. Its sweet. _________________________
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#871277 - 01/03/07 10:48 PM Re: Crank-scrapers anyone? [Re: ScottStaypuff]
OnyxEros OnyxEros Post Master Supreme Registered: 02/17/03 Posts: 17517 Loc: Seattle	Yeah Kevin did mine too I sent him a crank so he sent me the free lower one I had to pay for the teflon one :-) Nicest guy in the world _________________________ [quote=turbo_guy_fieri][quote=Kuku]Silence is consent[/quote] [/quote]
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#874631 - 01/04/07 07:52 PM Re: Crank-scrapers anyone? [Re: OnyxEros]
danl danl Post Master Supreme Registered: 07/14/00 Posts: 12516 Loc: Maryland USA	So the idea is to reduce windage losses correct? I always thought that a little more boost would negate the 2hp worth of windage loss personally.
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#874795 - 01/04/07 08:47 PM Re: Crank-scrapers anyone? [Re: danl]
RyanTSI RyanTSI Post Master Sr Registered: 11/09/06 Posts: 3629 Loc: Canadia	I always assumed they were to keep more oil in the pan for road course cars, to prevent oil starvation. Correct? _________________________
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#878205 - 01/05/07 05:16 PM Re: Crank-scrapers anyone? [Re: RyanTSI]
OnyxEros OnyxEros Post Master Supreme Registered: 02/17/03 Posts: 17517 Loc: Seattle	reducing windage loss mainly they have a dyno of an srt4 gaining 7hp and 16tq just adding a scraper on the dyno _________________________ [quote=turbo_guy_fieri][quote=Kuku]Silence is consent[/quote] [/quote]
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#878476 - 01/05/07 06:22 PM Re: Crank-scrapers anyone? [Re: OnyxEros]
danl danl Post Master Supreme Registered: 07/14/00 Posts: 12516 Loc: Maryland USA	Windage to me = good. It means what we have is oil splashing oil onto the rods and piston skirts (mostly rods and cylinder walls though). Oil IMO is the most important coolant. Think about it.
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#878688 - 01/05/07 07:36 PM Re: Crank-scrapers anyone? [Re: danl]
OnyxEros OnyxEros Post Master Supreme Registered: 02/17/03 Posts: 17517 Loc: Seattle	it's not the most important coolant on your counter weights which is what a crank scraper works on _________________________ [quote=turbo_guy_fieri][quote=Kuku]Silence is consent[/quote] [/quote]
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#878703 - 01/05/07 07:42 PM Re: Crank-scrapers anyone? [Re: OnyxEros]
ScottStaypuff ScottStaypuff Post Master Supreme Registered: 03/05/00 Posts: 25530 Loc: Ohio	I dunno about piston/rod cooling but I do know they free up some horsepower and help with oil starvation in corners with a Neon. At least the one I have does with the extra baffles and trap doors. Good relatively cheap insurance. Besides its one of the few modifications you can do that doesn't F*ck up NVH or fuel mileage. _________________________
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#878744 - 01/05/07 08:01 PM Re: Crank-scrapers anyone? [Re: OnyxEros]
Impulsive Impulsive Post Master Supreme Registered: 11/28/99 Posts: 79944 Loc: Edmonton	Originally Posted By: OnyxEros reducing windage loss mainly they have a dyno of an srt4 gaining 7hp and 16tq just adding a scraper on the dyno How so? Pretty sure the SRT-4 has a scraper stock. "The oil-pan gasket has tabs that act as an integral crank-scraper for oil control. " Edited by Impulsive (01/05/07 08:05 PM) _________________________ 2016 Stingray Z51 3LT - Stock 2021 Model 3P - I/H/E
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#878752 - 01/05/07 08:04 PM Re: Crank-scrapers anyone? [Re: Impulsive]
Sukkoi18 Sukkoi18 Jr Member Registered: 12/23/04 Posts: 660 Loc: Quad Cities IL/IA	The crank hitting the oil at high RPM can also cause it to foam. Not such a good thing. _________________________ Juiced 2002 Z28 Blown 1989 Mustang GT
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#878766 - 01/05/07 08:09 PM Re: Crank-scrapers anyone? [Re: Sukkoi18]
danl danl Post Master Supreme Registered: 07/14/00 Posts: 12516 Loc: Maryland USA	Man I'm gonna spin to 9000+ with no scraper FTL.
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#878801 - 01/05/07 08:23 PM Re: Crank-scrapers anyone? [Re: Impulsive]
ScottStaypuff ScottStaypuff Post Master Supreme Registered: 03/05/00 Posts: 25530 Loc: Ohio	The crank-scrapers.com scraper is much more substantial so I definitely think it should have an advantage. DanL, I would read the crank-scraper website. I think at 9000rpms you would benefit from one. _________________________
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#878824 - 01/05/07 08:28 PM Re: Crank-scrapers anyone? [Re: ScottStaypuff]
danl danl Post Master Supreme Registered: 07/14/00 Posts: 12516 Loc: Maryland USA	I'll look into it but only after I run it "normal" for a before and after.
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#879156 - 01/05/07 10:19 PM Re: Crank-scrapers anyone? [Re: danl]
OnyxEros OnyxEros Post Master Supreme Registered: 02/17/03 Posts: 17517 Loc: Seattle	My mistake is was a 2.4NA Dodge motor September 12th, 2005 Ed Peters, retired Chrysler engineer, active racer and owner of Magnum Force Engineering, performed back to back dyno tests today on the Ishihara-Johnson standard steel combination scraper, dual-windage tray and baffle setup for the 2.4 Dodge engine (see pictures below). Magnum Force Engineering has a state of the art environmentally controlled dyno room where, among other parameters, ambient air temperature of 71 degrees Fahrenheit was held to within +/- .5 degrees. Experimental conditions in the dyno room and for the engine were normalized for both back to back pulls. The tests were run on a normally aspirated 2.4 liter P.T. Cruiser engine with a modified engine management system allowing it to exceed the normal factory redline. The balance shafts in this engine were removed and, notably, it was equipped with the factory oil cooler for the SRT4 and P.T. Cruiser Turbo. The engine was equipped with a 195 degree F thermostat. Five quarts of fresh Mobil 1 10W-40 synthetic oil were used during each pull. Prior to both pulls, the engine oil pan temperature (oil temperature in the reservoir) and coolant temperatures were allowed to stabilize. At each rpm increment in the tables below the temperatures were allowed to again stabilize in order to give an accurate reflection of the steady state operating conditions in the engine at that speed. At peak rpms, use of the windage tray setup accompanied a 24 degree Fahrenheit drop in oil temperature, an 11 degree drop in coolant temperature and a 7 hp and 13 ftlb boost in power. Ed Peters remarked that "this setup is the most significant bolt-on change for oil and windage control that he has witnessed since 1986." In 1986, while at Chrysler, Ed performed joint research with Mobil Oil on windage losses in the 2.2 Shelby Turbo engine. He developed a performance oil pan that regained 9 hp at 6000 rpm when using Mobil 1 oil. Earlier in his career he was involved with the Dodge Daytona / Plymouth Superbird that dominated NASCAR racing for a period of time. It is important to note that a turbocharged version of the 2.4 engine would have higher windage losses and oil heating due to the increased level of normal blow-by in the crankcase. Therefore even more benefit would be found in the use of a proper windage control system. http://www.crank-scrapers.com/ Edited by OnyxEros (01/05/07 10:20 PM) _________________________ [quote=turbo_guy_fieri][quote=Kuku]Silence is consent[/quote] [/quote]
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#879232 - 01/05/07 10:40 PM Re: Crank-scrapers anyone? [Re: OnyxEros]
RyanTSI RyanTSI Post Master Sr Registered: 11/09/06 Posts: 3629 Loc: Canadia	How does windage (I assume oil being flung all over the place by the crank) rob horsepower? _________________________
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#879507 - 01/05/07 11:51 PM Re: Crank-scrapers anyone? [Re: RyanTSI]
ScottStaypuff ScottStaypuff Post Master Supreme Registered: 03/05/00 Posts: 25530 Loc: Ohio	Imagine the crank flying through a cloud of oily air. Everytime it hits a drop of oil it sticks to the crank and takes a little bit of energy to spin around/fling off. Keeping the oil off the crank keeps this from happening. It also helps protect the oil from aerating. Lots of good stuff with crank scrapers/ windage trays. _________________________
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#879647 - 01/06/07 12:47 AM Re: Crank-scrapers anyone? [Re: ScottStaypuff]
RyanTSI RyanTSI Post Master Sr Registered: 11/09/06 Posts: 3629 Loc: Canadia	I never thought of oil being in the air like that. The crank cutting through the oil in the pan and knife edge cranks made sense though. Makes sense though. But like dan said, unless the car has oiling problems, power could be found elsewhere for cheaper. On boosted cars anyways. IMO _________________________
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#880140 - 01/06/07 09:27 AM Re: Crank-scrapers anyone? [Re: RyanTSI]
danl danl Post Master Supreme Registered: 07/14/00 Posts: 12516 Loc: Maryland USA	Knife edging a 4g63 crank is always bad. Balancing is good though. If I can pick up a scraper from them I probably will. The 4g63 pans are a stamped piece of steel basically, very open. I think these crank scrapers are much more beneficial for woad wacers than drag wacers though. Drag racers probably don't even have enough time to foam up the oil. Also even 10hp worth of power really allmost isn't worth $100 investment.
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#9089913 - 07/27/17 03:06 AM Re: Crank-scrapers anyone? [Re: danl]
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