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#4645602 - 04/05/10 02:52 PM Photography people, good starter lighting setup ?
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Can anyone give me a recommendation on a decent starter lighting kit ? I'm starting to do work indoors in a "makeshift studio" and moving around tall lamps and dealing with shadows is getting tiring. I'd like something decent but not looking to spend alot for now.

Any input would be appreciated !
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#4645612 - 04/05/10 02:54 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: Alexxn_00_Si]
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what's your budget?
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#4645630 - 04/05/10 02:58 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: Alexxn_00_Si]
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and what camera system you're using?
and what you're shooting with it?
and why you didn't post this in the correct forum?


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#4645640 - 04/05/10 03:00 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: 2000SiRacer]
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Canon 50D
Modeling photos

Sorry, my bad...
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#4645646 - 04/05/10 03:01 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
what's your budget?


Ummm....less than $300 would be nice...
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#4645655 - 04/05/10 03:05 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: Alexxn_00_Si]
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 Originally Posted By: Alexxn_00_Si
 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
what's your budget?


Ummm....less than $300 would be nice...


can you elaborate on "modeling photos"?

$300 really isn't much to work with...

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#4645656 - 04/05/10 03:06 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: ]
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Appreciated Pat

I don't know Canon flashes, but I imagine you have the equivalent of the Nikon SB-80. Basically you're looking for the cheapest flash with a built in optical trigger you can find (that's still good quality and lets you dial down the power).

One or two of those, some cheapo stands, an umbrella and some DIY diffusion mods and you're in business.
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#4645666 - 04/05/10 03:08 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: 2000SiRacer]
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I'm thinking it's all about bouncing a little flash at that price. a little flash with a big white foam core and stands to hold both will yield great dividends, IMO.
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#4645669 - 04/05/10 03:09 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: ]
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I'm helping out a friend with shots of models wearing outfits for his online company. Everything from casual wear to swimsuits.

We turned a room in his apartment into a studio with different color sheets hanging as "backdrops"

As far as $ goes I just threw $300 out there, I wasn't sure what kind of cost would be involved, but I'm no professional either nor will this become my profession


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#4645679 - 04/05/10 03:10 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: Alexxn_00_Si]
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Something that could be moved to a different location if needed would be nice also...
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#4645684 - 04/05/10 03:11 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: Alexxn_00_Si]
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300 bucks budget? screw buying cheapo flashes, just rent the strobes to get the job done for a catalog job.
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#4645716 - 04/05/10 03:17 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: Lafora]
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renting might be a great idea, especially if it's for a single gig
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#4645724 - 04/05/10 03:19 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
renting might be a great idea, especially if it's for a single gig


Until he spends his $300 on a 1-day rental and spends 8 hours figuring out how everything works
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#4645726 - 04/05/10 03:19 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: ]
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Definitely won't be a single gig, I don't mind spending more if I need to...this is why I'm asking \:\)
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#4645741 - 04/05/10 03:22 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: Alexxn_00_Si]
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I figure ANYTHING, even continuous lights with umbrellas have to be better than standard floor lamps with GE Reveal bulbs in them...
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#4645750 - 04/05/10 03:24 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: Alexxn_00_Si]
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Get a cheap manual flash and use it on camera to bounce into the ceiling. It won't be pretty, but shooting in a small, white walled apartment will be a nightmare anyway and this will work better than floor lamps.
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#4645757 - 04/05/10 03:26 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: 2000SiRacer]
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 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
Get a cheap manual flash and use it on camera to bounce into the ceiling. It won't be pretty, but shooting in a small, white walled apartment will be a nightmare anyway and this will work better than floor lamps.


Hmm OK....the room is actually a pretty good sized, and we're using black and / or white backdrops if that matters....what is a good flash for this ?
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#4645758 - 04/05/10 03:26 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: 2000SiRacer]
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 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
renting might be a great idea, especially if it's for a single gig


Until he spends his $300 on a 1-day rental and spends 8 hours figuring out how everything works


This is where I also want to just go ahead and buy a power pack and strobes or some sort of package, so I can sit around and play with it until I fully understand how to use it under pressure or whenever.

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#4645776 - 04/05/10 03:30 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: Alexxn_00_Si]
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 Originally Posted By: Alexxn_00_Si
 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
Get a cheap manual flash and use it on camera to bounce into the ceiling. It won't be pretty, but shooting in a small, white walled apartment will be a nightmare anyway and this will work better than floor lamps.


Hmm OK....the room is actually a pretty good sized, and we're using black and / or white backdrops if that matters....what is a good flash for this ?


The backdrop won't make a huge difference because the light will still be bouncing off the ceiling and walls. Do you have any experience with lighting? This doesn't sound like the easiest shoot to get started if you're looking for amazing results.

Mike: I've only had a little experience with studio lights but they really aren't that difficult. Setting them up and running the cable is a bit of a pain, but otherwise you just adjust your power and attach your modifiers.
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#4645809 - 04/05/10 03:36 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: 2000SiRacer]
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Once I figure out how to properly use my 580ex...I'll get to the studio lights.
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#4645866 - 04/05/10 03:56 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: ]
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If you want to go cheap, and you want to do a one light setup, get yourself a speedlight (vivitar 285HV for example), a sync cable and a hot shoe adapter (dont think the 50d has a socket, if it does you can skip the adapter), and a reflector (try a car sun shade, my fav), and some sort of diffuser. If you can spring for a shoot through umbrella and a stand (see here: http://www.mpex.com/browse.cfm/4,4636.html - you will need a swivel head and stand also).


then set it up like this:



play with the power of the flash (set manually on the flash itself) and also the distance of the the flash itself to the subject.

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#4645879 - 04/05/10 03:59 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: ]
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if you go two lights you will need an optical slave trigger, second umbrella, swivel, stand and flash.

you can then go this route with the rear light setup to be a rim light for background separation:


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#4645896 - 04/05/10 04:06 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: ]
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to shoot catalogs, if you want to do it with no fuss, you need 3 lights if you want a white background.

2 bare flashes and just nuking the shit out of the background to give you a pure white backdrop

1 main light to light your model. Get a reflector for fill if necessary.

No white wall is pure white, esp not when you start lighting your subject.

Easier to turn a white wall into a black wall than vice versa ;\)

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#4645902 - 04/05/10 04:09 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: Lafora]
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 Originally Posted By: Lafora


Easier to turn a white wall into a black wall than vice versa ;\)


Not with a full body portrait in smaller apartment, smartass

(unless you aren't being a smartass and just talking about backdrops, then yeah lol)
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#4645915 - 04/05/10 04:15 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: 2000SiRacer]
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Small apartment for full body shots? Buy black bedding sheets, ladder and shoot from above. Have the model lift her arms and thighs off the bed when she's posing so they create a shadow from the light AND not have her muscle definition spread out from physically touching the bed. Granted the sheet will have a gradation from the light fall off, but it's still doable, and now with only one light.

place two pieces of black velvet to absorb the stray light if necessary if you don't want the light to bounce off the white walls.

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#4645938 - 04/05/10 04:24 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: Lafora]
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Sorry, Lafora...I thought you were being a smartass and talking about the conundrum of "with enough light you can turn a white wall black". Carry on \:D
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#4646231 - 04/05/10 06:34 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: 2000SiRacer]
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I cannot believe we've missed the most important tip...


...tell the models that in order to get the correct white balance you need a few frames of them totally nude. Report back with the pics.

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#4646285 - 04/05/10 07:08 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
I cannot believe we've missed the most important tip...


...tell the models that in order to get the correct white balance you need a few frames of them totally nude. Report back with the pics.


Haha good one...I'll see what i can do \:\)

On a serious note, I have absolutely NO experience with indoor lighting so I'm looking for ease of use. We're PRETTY happy with the results we've gotten so far but I'd like to go a step further. It seems like perhaps a camera flash could achieve better results bounced off the ceiling ?
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#4646299 - 04/05/10 07:18 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
If you want to go cheap, and you want to do a one light setup, get yourself a speedlight (vivitar 285HV for example), a sync cable and a hot shoe adapter (dont think the 50d has a socket, if it does you can skip the adapter), and a reflector (try a car sun shade, my fav), and some sort of diffuser. If you can spring for a shoot through umbrella and a stand (see here: http://www.mpex.com/browse.cfm/4,4636.html - you will need a swivel head and stand also).


then set it up like this:



play with the power of the flash (set manually on the flash itself) and also the distance of the the flash itself to the subject.


OK, so I am liking this idea...I'm assuming in this photo the black object at the bottom center is the camera with the Vivitar flash. What is the picture at the right ? The umbrella ? If so what kind of light would go with it ?
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#4646347 - 04/05/10 07:35 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: Alexxn_00_Si]
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no, the black box at the bottom is just the camera, no flash on it at all. the thing to the right is a softbox, but you could use an umbrella as well. The flash is tether to the camera.

the oval on the left is a reflector.

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#4646361 - 04/05/10 07:39 PM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
no, the black box at the bottom is just the camera, no flash on it at all. the thing to the right is a softbox, but you could use an umbrella as well. The flash is tether to the camera.

the oval on the left is a reflector.


So what kind of flash would be tethered to the camera ?

Also can you recommend a softbox ? Does it have a light itself ?
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#4647120 - 04/06/10 06:39 AM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: Alexxn_00_Si]
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softboxes don't typically come with any lightsource.

you can use any flash really, the vivitar 285hv is the one I suggested just because it's cheap and decently powerful. read about it here: http://strobist.blogspot.com/2007/02/return-of-classic.html

you don't necessarily need a softbox, you can get by with a shoot through umbrella, which is what I would suggest.

You can also go the DIY route and just setup a scrim of very light white fabric, like a linen light weave, and put that between the model and the flash.

If you want to go continuous lights, you can always buy some homedepot work floods like these: http://www.homedepot.com/Lighting-Fans-W...catalogId=10053 and put that behind a larger scrim to make a light panel.

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#4647147 - 04/06/10 07:18 AM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
softboxes don't typically come with any lightsource.

you can use any flash really, the vivitar 285hv is the one I suggested just because it's cheap and decently powerful. read about it here: http://strobist.blogspot.com/2007/02/return-of-classic.html

you don't necessarily need a softbox, you can get by with a shoot through umbrella, which is what I would suggest.

You can also go the DIY route and just setup a scrim of very light white fabric, like a linen light weave, and put that between the model and the flash.

If you want to go continuous lights, you can always buy some homedepot work floods like these: http://www.homedepot.com/Lighting-Fans-W...catalogId=10053 and put that behind a larger scrim to make a light panel.



OK....so let me ask you this...(I welcome the comments) what would be wrong with going this route:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/529890-REG/Interfit_INT114_SXT3200_Two_Light_Kit_.html

It has to be leaps and bounds better than what I'm currently using and is pretty portable. I already own a 43" disc reflector.

Should I also go with a flash (like the Vivitar) with this setup ?

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#4647366 - 04/06/10 08:44 AM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: Alexxn_00_Si]
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I think you could definitely make that work.
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#4647462 - 04/06/10 09:13 AM Re: Photography people, good starter lighting setup ? [Re: ]
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It's portable in that you can move it anywhere; but then again you can move anything anywhere with a big enough vehicle.

Won't be able to shoot outdoors or on location with that setup, that's the only downside. But if you dont' see yourself doing a whole lot of that, then yah any studio strobes would be better than speedlights.

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