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#5044735 - 09/19/10 11:11 PM Oh mai. Perhaps my next camera.
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/19/fujifilm-intros-finepix-x100-12-3mp-aps-c-based-camera-with-hyb/



I really like the idea of mirrorless cameras, and while I don't think this is quite as sexy as the Olympus Pens, Fuji usually makes really good SuperCCD's and that 23/2 lens looks like a load of fun.

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#5044755 - 09/19/10 11:31 PM Re: Oh mai. Perhaps my next camera. [Re: x]
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#5045052 - 09/20/10 02:42 AM Re: Oh mai. Perhaps my next camera. [Re: GB]
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i've been waiting for this type of camera to come out for a while now. the mirror shutter was designed b/c of film. now w/ the digital sensor, there's no real need to use a mirror to see what the lens sees. no mirror = smaller camera, smaller lenses, quieter shutters, greater sync speed response. dslr's are gonna look archaically huge in a decade.

leica is sitting on a gold mine w/ their classic leaf shutter & already established line of lenses, yet they are kinda like harley...sticking to their guns and relying on cult following. leica digital sucks ass, but they could be making so much more bank if they built upon their design w/ newer technology.

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#5045131 - 09/20/10 07:06 AM Re: Oh mai. Perhaps my next camera. [Re: busfare]
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is it considered a P&S??? Sorry, don't know anything beyond the DSLRs from Canon and Nikon
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#5045147 - 09/20/10 07:32 AM Re: Oh mai. Perhaps my next camera. [Re: Voltron]
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The mirror less cameras are very interesting to my but I have nearly seen a comparison between a DSLR and a EVIL camera.

We should see Nikon EVIL camera shortly. I looks like it will not use the classic Nikon F mount. I would be more likely to buy it as a backup camera if it used the same lenses.

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#5045559 - 09/20/10 11:41 AM Re: Oh mai. Perhaps my next camera. [Re: PA2KFBPSI]
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All I'm seeing is a good looking P&S with one lense. This replacing DSLRs anytime soon? Laughable.
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#5045646 - 09/20/10 12:19 PM Re: Oh mai. Perhaps my next camera. [Re: TheStupidFock]
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 Originally Posted By: TheStupidFock
All I'm seeing is a good looking P&S with one lense. This replacing DSLRs anytime soon? Laughable.


indeed.

If I want to go compact I'll just bring this bitch:


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#5046142 - 09/20/10 03:10 PM Re: Oh mai. Perhaps my next camera. [Re: TheStupidFock]
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 Originally Posted By: TheStupidFock
All I'm seeing is a good looking P&S with one lense. This replacing DSLRs anytime soon? Laughable.


rangefinders are nothing new, and have their place alongside slr's. it's short-sighted of anyone to say a rangefinder will replace slr's, but it's equally short-sighted to undervalue their place in photography

this is making a very obvious jump at the leica m series. fuji's probably going for the common man's rangefinder market seeing how leica boxes are $$$$ and leica higher quality lenses are astronomically-priced.

it's niche, and it's photo nerd, but look how well dslr's are selling--another "niche, photo nerd" segment of the market.
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#5046452 - 09/20/10 05:49 PM Re: Oh mai. Perhaps my next camera. [Re: jsmonet]
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 Originally Posted By: jsmonet
 Originally Posted By: TheStupidFock
All I'm seeing is a good looking P&S with one lense. This replacing DSLRs anytime soon? Laughable.


rangefinders are nothing new, and have their place alongside slr's. it's short-sighted of anyone to say a rangefinder will replace slr's, but it's equally short-sighted to undervalue their place in photography


replacing DSLR's anytime soon? no, not soon, but eventually. yes, this new fuji "looks" and functions much like a rangefinder, but the compact design will be the future. like i said before, the mirror shutter is an old design that will become obsolete in the future. when you eliminate the mirror flip shutter, the lens gets closer to the sensor. and when that happens, the lenses themselves get smaller. obviously this is the case w/ leica and their range of lenses now. and of course, the leaf shutter itself will not be needed anymore. sensor will simply be turned on/off by electronics.

the technology is already here today. take a full frame sensor of the canon, put it in a leica rangefinder body, use the leica lenses, and you got high quality photos that are just as good as the best DSLRs out there. the only difference is, the leica will be more compact in design. there is absolutely no need for the bulk of DSLRs and their lenses. the biggest reason the big companies haven't done this is b/c it would require an overhaul of lenses. but it's companies like fuji and this camera that are paving the way towards that transition.

C/N: cameras in the future will eliminate the mirror shutter, be much more compact in body & lenses. they'll be similar to a rangefinder, except maybe w/ more ergonomic handgrips.

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#5046465 - 09/20/10 05:58 PM Re: Oh mai. Perhaps my next camera. [Re: busfare]
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I don't need smaller personally, but I'd like to see ergonomics of the grip improved. There's no reason that my 20 year old F4 film camera should feel better in my hand than the D300/D700. Perhaps eventually ditching the mirror box could get some of the thickness out of the body.

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#5047226 - 09/21/10 01:03 AM Re: Oh mai. Perhaps my next camera. [Re: scootergeek]
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not just thickness out of the body, but also the lenses. think how small the leica 50/1.0 is in size compared to the canon 50/1.2. imagine how small a leica sized 70-200/2.8is lens would be compared to the current canon/nikon equivalent. or if you kept the size the same, you could possibly achieve a 70-200/1.8is on a mirror boxless body. great for travel, journalism, weddings, etc. w/ the exception of retaining an ergonomic handle rather than the boxy rangefinder design.
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#5048644 - 09/21/10 04:45 PM Re: Oh mai. Perhaps my next camera. [Re: busfare]
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I've always been told "it's not the size, it's how you use it"

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#5048709 - 09/21/10 05:04 PM Re: Oh mai. Perhaps my next camera. [Re: busfare]
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rangefinders were THE journalist cameras because of how small and unobtrusive they were. people didn't think much of them because they looked, to the uninitiated, like little kid cameras. low fuss, ultraportable, they made a lot of sense for that use.

IMO there's still a pretty good market for them if you're not paparazzi
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#5059935 - 09/26/10 01:20 AM Re: Oh mai. Perhaps my next camera. [Re: jsmonet]
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This camera is on my christmas list.
The X100 is not meant to replace any DSLR at the moment. It is meant to compliment it. I for one have been looking at the MFT cameras lately from both Panasonic with the GF1 and Olympus with the EP-2. But this new Fuji might be exactly what I want. Larger sensor then the MFT, Optical VF that has the EVF superimposed as a hybrid finder(this concept sounds awesome. I can't wait to see if it actually is as good as it sounds) and a Fujinon lens built JUST around this sensor. The image quality should be amazing if they pull this off.
With now being a dad, carrying my DSLR around can be a royal pain. I want a nice small camera somewhat reminiscent of my Stylus Epic. March is going to take to long to arrive


Edited by MugenFreakSI (09/26/10 01:21 AM)
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