#4991081 - 08/26/10 01:38 PM
Re: new lens, and a new gig!
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PA2KFBPSI
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I have no experience with a company like this but I would think about ways to get the most amount of keepers possible.
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#4991147 - 08/26/10 01:58 PM
Re: new lens, and a new gig!
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Nate047
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GL banging the soccer moms!
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#5001950 - 08/31/10 01:56 PM
Re: new lens, and a new gig!
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The deal doesn't sound too bad, but not too great either. If you want to do it for fun and for the experience I say go for it.
As for the rights, I think you may have to give them up once you upload them (since you're telling them they can sell them). You still retain the rights for whatever you want to do with them but i'm sure there is a clause that says you can't be in direct printing competition with them.
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#5003950 - 09/01/10 07:13 AM
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I met with her yesterday. It's completely freelance, I didn't have to sign any contract or anything. The deal is, I get sent out to shoot a flag football league (there's also a tackle league) and upload 50-100 pictures on Monday. I get credit for the photos and I can use them for my portfolio. That's basically it. I get paid by the photo if they sell, there's a pricing heirarchy for different products they offer. She's primarily a videographer, doing things like recruiting videos for college, etc, but is looking to expand the photography business. She is invovled with two leagues so far and is very small, only has 3 or 4 photographers. I think it'll be great experience for me to start out. If I like it, i'll stick with it and I can move on after that once I get other gigs. I just need to get out and shoot and this to me is the easiest way to do it.
I also got an email from a local newspaper this morning regarding covering high school sports. The guy said that he's interested and will get back to me on if they'd be able to compensate.
I'd like to get paid, but that's not the important thing to me right now. I'll get the experience first then move on to something paid.
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#5005344 - 09/01/10 03:22 PM
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this is the one, and ONLY, time I will agree with Jon!
don't undercut yourself. I would negotiate for higher, or walk away. You can get the same amount of experience shooting on your own, shooting subjects you like, and without the stress.
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#5005380 - 09/01/10 03:30 PM
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I'm not obligated to anything, it's all freelance, besides, if I make it, I make it, if I don't no biggie, she gets someone else to shoot. Like I said before, I have a newspaper that wrote me back and I also saw a few other postings for paying gigs, but it doesn't look like they pay on commission, just hourly, like $10-$25. I'll look into it later.
I do understand where you all are coming from. My thing is, I'll get started out, maybe do this for two months, get the experience and then move to something paying. Maybe I don't have the confidence enough in myself yet to get the spectacular shots, who knows. I'll have to wait and find out.
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#5007603 - 09/02/10 11:16 AM
Re: new lens, and a new gig!
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Lafora
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yeah, so i'm checking into that hourly paying gig. Thought about it a little more last night about what you guys were saying and it may be more beneficial to go that way, but it sounds like that gig is mostly team and individual portraits rather than sports action, which I'd like to do. We'll see what happens.
That's what most kids' sports photo gigs are, it's really portrait sessions when they're out in the field. The action is just a bonus.
You're looking to shoot editorial, in which case I wouldn't even bother with companies that market to parents. What you want to shoot and what they're looking for are completely different. They want photos of their kids, regardless of composition. You want to shoot photos that tells a story of the event you're at, in which the individual athlete plays a less significance in any particular frame unless he/she IS the story.
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#5007826 - 09/02/10 12:33 PM
Re: new lens, and a new gig!
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Nate047
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Taking pictures of flag football, for no money. Sounds like it's going to suck hard. If all you want is experience, I would again suggest finding something that you really want to do. Because seriously man... I'm not bullshitting you when I say that unless you really want to shoot sports, this is a total waste of your time.
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#5007996 - 09/02/10 01:22 PM
Re: new lens, and a new gig!
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Sure man, but you're missing my point. What I mean is shoot the kind of stuff you want to shoot, like find subjects you enjoy. Do you enjoy weddings and flag football? If you do, that's cool.......? 
Example, I like cars, hence why I started photographing cars.
The point I'm trying to drive home is that the manner in which you shoot something like a wedding has exactly ZERO correlation to how you go about shooting a car, hence why I do not shoot weddings. So if I was shooting a bunch of weddings for "experience" (not to mention with no guarantee of getting paid) and the filed I wanted to be shooting in was unrelated... It would be a waste of my time because so much of the stuff I was learning would not transfer to what I REALLY want to do. Yadiddamean?
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#5008032 - 09/02/10 01:36 PM
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Lafora
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To the OP:
what have you shot with your camera in the past 7 days?
Are you just starting out? How much experience do you have.
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#5008037 - 09/02/10 01:38 PM
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Voltron
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Nate, I see what you mean. I'll tell you this, i like portrait photography and action photography. i'm not the artsy-fartsy type and don't like fashion photography. Still life is fun and all, but not as exciting to me as the first two. As for wildlife photography, I don't have the patience for it. I'm really open to anything. I know normally you specialize in one or the other disciplines because shooting styles are different, but I'm really interested in multiple areas. Maybe after shooting sports I'll find that I dont' like it. Maybe after shooting weddings I'll find that I dont' like it. Really I want to explore and see what interests me and what I'm good at. there's a lot of potential. What I'd like to do is be on the foul lines at an MLB game, or shooting at the hole at an NHL game. I know I can't just walk into it and be like "Hey, I'm new and all, I don't have any experience, but I'd like to shoot for you guys". They'd tell me to take a hike.
That said, I'm looking for a second shooter job where I don't have to do any editing, just hand over the card and get paid. I know they're out there, I just have to find them. Where do I look? Do I contact different agencies/studios? Do I check craigslist or post my availability? I've actually shot my wifes' friends wedding as a favor even though they had photographers for the ceremony and the beginning of the reception, I gave them all the pictures of during the reception and all the ones that I took during the ceremony. They didn't turn out that great because of lighting, slow lens, crappy camera, etc.
Meh, I'm rambling... sitting on the phone on a phone conference for the past 40 minutes and my neck is killing me and my attention is somewhere else...
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#5008040 - 09/02/10 01:39 PM
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Lafora:
Edited by crimson773 (09/02/10 01:40 PM)
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#5008277 - 09/02/10 03:02 PM
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Nate, I see what you mean. I'll tell you this, i like portrait photography and action photography. i'm not the artsy-fartsy type and don't like fashion photography. Still life is fun and all, but not as exciting to me as the first two. As for wildlife photography, I don't have the patience for it. I'm really open to anything. I know normally you specialize in one or the other disciplines because shooting styles are different, but I'm really interested in multiple areas. Maybe after shooting sports I'll find that I dont' like it. Maybe after shooting weddings I'll find that I dont' like it. Really I want to explore and see what interests me and what I'm good at. there's a lot of potential. What I'd like to do is be on the foul lines at an MLB game, or shooting at the hole at an NHL game. I know I can't just walk into it and be like "Hey, I'm new and all, I don't have any experience, but I'd like to shoot for you guys". They'd tell me to take a hike.
That said, I'm looking for a second shooter job where I don't have to do any editing, just hand over the card and get paid. I know they're out there, I just have to find them. Where do I look? Do I contact different agencies/studios? Do I check craigslist or post my availability? I've actually shot my wifes' friends wedding as a favor even though they had photographers for the ceremony and the beginning of the reception, I gave them all the pictures of during the reception and all the ones that I took during the ceremony. They didn't turn out that great because of lighting, slow lens, crappy camera, etc.
Guess I could relate, aside from the fashion photography part as I find I really love doing it. What I get paid to do, I guess I'm good enough in a way, but not my TRUE passion. I love it enough, but it doesn't ooze out of my pores. What I love to do, I'm not good enough to get paid for it; but I'll do it to keep my creativity going.
You'll be surprised at how shooting sports, fashion AND portraits will help in shooting a wedding. Think about it; weddings are both parts rolled into one. The engagements, the formals could be done a la a fashion and portrait shoot. Engage the subjects, but also bring out the dress. Brides will love u for it. Ceremony, reception, first dance? PJ style; which is basically shooting a sports event editorially. Roll the two together and you'll have a pretty kick ass wedding photographer rolled into one. Better yet, when you've done so many sports events that you're used to working tight deadlines with zero room for mistakes (try 8 images after EVER period in NHL that you need to file), going home and putting up a viewable 65-70 image slideshow for the couple that you just shot at the wedding is a breeze. (That's always my goal.)
Being open to anything is good. Why limit yourself already when you're jsut starting out?
One thing however. Being at the foul line / shooting thru the holes might seem fun, but trust me when the pressure's on, it's damn stressful.
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#5008292 - 09/02/10 03:05 PM
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Lafora
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Next time you shoot a soccer game, have this as your goal:
Three frames that regardless of who the subjects are (pickup game, kids, whatever), the photos are Getty-calibre. EVERYTHING has to be perfect. The timing, the light, the composition.
Start with three each time you go out for the month. bump it up by one every month after. Right now the three you showed are just snapshots that anyone could've done with a camera, even a point & shoot.
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#5008511 - 09/02/10 04:12 PM
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Nate047
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Nate, I see what you mean. I'll tell you this, i like portrait photography and action photography. i'm not the artsy-fartsy type and don't like fashion photography. Still life is fun and all, but not as exciting to me as the first two. As for wildlife photography, I don't have the patience for it. I'm really open to anything. I know normally you specialize in one or the other disciplines because shooting styles are different, but I'm really interested in multiple areas. Maybe after shooting sports I'll find that I dont' like it. Maybe after shooting weddings I'll find that I dont' like it. Really I want to explore and see what interests me and what I'm good at. there's a lot of potential. What I'd like to do is be on the foul lines at an MLB game, or shooting at the hole at an NHL game. I know I can't just walk into it and be like "Hey, I'm new and all, I don't have any experience, but I'd like to shoot for you guys". They'd tell me to take a hike.
That said, I'm looking for a second shooter job where I don't have to do any editing, just hand over the card and get paid. I know they're out there, I just have to find them. Where do I look? Do I contact different agencies/studios? Do I check craigslist or post my availability? I've actually shot my wifes' friends wedding as a favor even though they had photographers for the ceremony and the beginning of the reception, I gave them all the pictures of during the reception and all the ones that I took during the ceremony. They didn't turn out that great because of lighting, slow lens, crappy camera, etc.
Meh, I'm rambling... sitting on the phone on a phone conference for the past 40 minutes and my neck is killing me and my attention is somewhere else...
Right on yea if you like action photography then hey, might as well go for it!
Nate
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#5009700 - 09/03/10 07:01 AM
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Glad you like the lens. How sore are your arms? 
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