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#9692651 - 12/04/19 03:16 PM car shopping is frustrating ...
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So my 16 year old car might be on it's last legs. Just did a bunch of brake work on it, but it seems its now leaking oil and coolant so I'm guessing the head gasket. Kinda tired of band-aid fixes. So I'm looking for something new and hassle free.

Looking at a broad range of cars. Only real must haves are manual, heated front seats, and decent rear seating. Nice to have would be USB ports for the rear, decent gas mileage, some kinda of nicer phone connectivity, altho I'm more concerned about the cost of ownership than bells and whistles.

Jeep Wrangler - I like the look, the interior feels nice. For what you're getting, the price feels ridiculously high. Everything needs to be added as a option. NOT good on gas. I do a lot of camping so its a nice vehicle for that. Lease/Finance rates are dumb.

Tacoma - Exterior looks purpose built, interior is a snoozer. Cannot find a stick shift to try. The double cab still seems stuff in the back. Also not great on gas, but again, a good camping kinda car. Lease/Finance rates are slightly better.

WRX - Apparently, dealers do not stock these things so you'll never be able to test drive one. All their inventory is spoken for. And even if they have one in stock, they won't let you test drive it because it comes with summer tires. Is it me, or does that seem completely stupid? Don't people want to try cars before they buy? And aren't Subaru's sold on the premise that their AWD system is great for winter? Wouldn't you want to showcase that? I think I have to scratch this off my list just because I don't think I'll ever get to test one first.

Golf GTI - Looks nice inside and out. Not great for rear seat room. Not great for camping and hauling stuff. Felt solid tho, driving it around. Would be a safe car to hand-down to my kids when they're old enough to drive. 5 yr Finance at 0% ... wtf? Supposed to be decent on gas.

Corolla - This would be a pure 'bridge' option to hand down to the kids. Won't be exciting in anyway, but probably great on gas, reliable as all hell, and super affordable. Would be no better or worse at filling my camping needs compared to the WRX and GTI.

Honda Civic - Not much different than the Corolla. The rates seem higher tho. Again, not a whole of lot of fun to be had here.

Any input and thoughts?
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#9692654 - 12/04/19 03:22 PM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: 4Three]
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1. u are right, car shopping is a biiiitch (new and/or used)

2. quite the spread, any chance you can narrow it down more?

3. not sure how you found a civic not fun to drive. i've driven newer Si's (comes 4dr and manual) and even the Civic Hatch Touring (or sport) in manual and they are fun. well the Si is. the hatch is decent. they handle amazing and have trq. corolla...nice car but zzz. love te GTI but it is monnneeey. don't even bother with the wrx.

any chance you'd go used audi? \:D
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#9692771 - 12/04/19 06:20 PM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: Screamin Type ARGH!]
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Mazda is not listed on your list, but IF you do want a no bullshit price. Message me
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#9692857 - 12/04/19 08:48 PM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: Cee_mon]
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The only Mazda product I'd want is a Miata, but that would neither fit my kids nor my camping gear. Wife just picked up a cx5 tho. Leased @ $400/month for 4 years for an AWD GS. I hope that's a decent deal.

I liked the interior of the Mazda3 but not super keen on the exterior.

I know my list is really broad but honestly, if the Element wasn't breaking down, I'd just drive it for another 10 years. Too poor to afford an Elise + G wagon
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#9692863 - 12/04/19 08:56 PM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: 4Three]
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For the Civic, I'm just considering the appliance model. Not to say it's completely boring. It's just tough to drive a base model some knowing there's a better trim out there. But I'm not willing to pay the price for that higher trim. Like 30g for a Civic or GTI ... I think I'm going GTI.
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#9692900 - 12/04/19 10:06 PM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: 4Three]
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Meh Civic is ugly AF. New corolla looks much better, especially the hatch.
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#9693235 - 12/05/19 11:28 AM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: Hatorade]
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Your car list is all over the place and you are trying to satisfy way too many variables which is not possible with a single car.

Rate what's most important and pick based on that.

If I was you I'd go for the tacoma (not manual) for reliability/camping/resale/last forever/hauls shit/kids can use it.

GTI would be the next choice, but my first priority would be to have a proper every day car before a "fun" car. I am of the conclusion after chasing this 1 car fits all thing that it's not possible, there will always be a compromise.

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#9693275 - 12/05/19 11:55 AM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: Risky Business]
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#9693686 - 12/05/19 07:19 PM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: Hatorade]
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 Originally Posted By: Hatorade
Meh Civic is ugly AF. New corolla looks much better, especially the hatch.


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#9693699 - 12/05/19 08:03 PM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: Screamin Type ARGH!]
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i was going to say that a toyota chr checks most of your boxes but it doesn't come in manual.
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#9693821 - 12/06/19 03:15 AM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: titty sprinkles]
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how high of a priority is a camping car? i.e. if you end up picking from wrx and down (on your list) - will you still be able to do camping?

if i recall, i think your older one is about the same age as mine - so i would spring for an a2b car, and putt around for 4-5 years until its depreciated enough that it becomes my kid's hand me down (shared) car so i don't twitch over dings and scratches (though i probably would); then find something more palatable after - if you can wait that long.

IMO, the cx-5 doesn't really have that much more cargo room than a mazda3 - its just jacked up in height -- so i wouldn't put that on the list

As for WRX - I don't think they drastically redesigned a new one? maybe go test drive a used one / lease return and see if it meets your needs?

Good manuals are hard to find.

Good luck in the hunt.
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#9693822 - 12/06/19 03:17 AM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: Screamin Type ARGH!]
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 Originally Posted By: Screamin Type ARGH!
 Originally Posted By: Hatorade
Meh Civic is ugly AF. New corolla looks much better, especially the hatch.


put
the
drugs
down



stop
drinking
the (Honda)
kool-aid

... new civics are still ugly - since the days after the EK/EMs
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'08 535i - sold @ 149,421 km - cashed out just in time!
'08 impreza 2.5i - sold @ - 64,147 km - smh POS
'01 rav4 - killed @ 155,879 km - RIP old friend

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#9693914 - 12/06/19 08:14 AM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: hyper-s2k]
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 Originally Posted By: hyper-s2k
 Originally Posted By: Screamin Type ARGH!
 Originally Posted By: Hatorade
Meh Civic is ugly AF. New corolla looks much better, especially the hatch.


put
the
drugs
down



stop
drinking
the (Honda)
kool-aid

... new civics are still ugly - since the days after the EK/EMs


wrong (esp vs corolla).

but if you put it that way (you stuck in oldskool like me yes), then every new car is ugly vs. those gens lol
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#9693917 - 12/06/19 08:19 AM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: Screamin Type ARGH!]
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OP what about slightly used Accord sedan? i've driven a few trims, and even just the Sport trim (auto/manual) is fun (enough for a sedan lol), such a solid ride. has tonnnns of room inside, trunk as well. 2 engine choices as well unless you go older model v6. i would suggest TLX too if you wanted, but if budget works for Accord just get that. regular gas too.

can you afford a used S3 maybe or to small/vs price? A3 prob not worth it as it's just a gold underneath lol. else just do A4 maybe?

also there's that lexus hybrid h200 or something wagon, are those no good?

tacoma's are freaking nice. what about a smaller toyota/lexus suv? they have more options than just either crv (don't buy) or pilot lol.

nissan not much to offer and i wouldn't bother with mazda.
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#9693973 - 12/06/19 09:27 AM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: Screamin Type ARGH!]
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Camping is a pretty big priority. Especially with a 16ft canoe and big hiking backpacks. Sometimes I go alone, but sometimes in a group of four, which means 4 backpacks and four people and possibly a dog in the car too.

The CX5 was actually a huge size-up from the wife's previous CX3. Its an actual 5 seater, and the kids like not being cramming up next to each other.

The WRX, I asked about test driving an off-lease or trade in, but apparently, they either don't exist, or they don't trust me enough to let me try. Again, seems stupid to me. I get dealers not letting people test drive an NSX or Supra, or even an STI.

And ya, our older kids are about the same age, so that's exactly my thinking with the smaller cars; something to hand down in a couple years and I won't be anxious about minor damage.

I actually like the styling of the Civic hatch, but the Corolla looks a touch nicer to me (although considerably less practical in terms of interior/trunk space). And the finance rate for the Civic is 4.99% vs 1.72% for the Corolla.

The current accord looks weird to me. The profile is decent, but that front end was beaten with an ugly stick.

A4 is nice, but it doesn't really suit me. I'm much too practical of a person to put money into luxury/branding.

Waiting on the pricing on a Tacoma vs GTI right now, and after the test drive with the GTI, and the nice customer service at Maple VW, I'm leaning pretty hard that way. 0% financing plus way better on gas. I guess I should check insurance rates too.

I wish they still made the Toyota FJ Cruiser.
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#9694192 - 12/06/19 12:27 PM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: hyper-s2k]
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#9694208 - 12/06/19 12:36 PM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: Hatorade]
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#9694281 - 12/06/19 01:33 PM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: Risky Business]
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Did you check out the Ford Ranger? my parents just got one, and i have to say, it's pretty nice.
I was trying to get them to check out a tacoma, but that is one dated platform.
I know the ranger platform has been around in other markets for a while, but it;s way better than the Toyota. And the 4cyl turbo motor moves it at a good clip.


Edited by zc911 (12/06/19 01:36 PM)
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#9694359 - 12/06/19 02:08 PM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: 4Three]
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...but sometimes in a group of four, which means 4 backpacks and four people and possibly a dog in the car too...


As a GTI owner, I can say with pretty good certainty that this situation in a Golf won't be comfortable... Unless the 3 of the 4 people are children (or children sized). And your dog is the size of a squirrel.

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#9694374 - 12/06/19 02:23 PM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: fatso]
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honda ridgeline.
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#9694396 - 12/06/19 02:50 PM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: titty sprinkles]
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#9694452 - 12/06/19 04:12 PM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: Risky Business]
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Basically when Screaming started working there?


Lmfaoooo
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#9694473 - 12/06/19 04:52 PM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: 4Three]
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#9694494 - 12/06/19 05:33 PM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: Hatorade]
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Basically when Screaming started working there?


Lmfaoooo
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#9694495 - 12/06/19 05:37 PM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: titty sprinkles]
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honda ridgeline.


love the old one but have to try and get later in the gen as possible (also cos more options for the money), but mainly "because corrosion" lol. i looked for like 12-14 model years but holy shit they sell from used dealers in a matter of days. older/cheap ones as well. odysseys same thing.

ridgey is basically a pilot underneath, tows ok but at least handles/feels like a regular SUV which is nice. for not being "a real pickup truck" as they say. does the job though.

the new one is more general pickup style of course. again just a pilot under it.

oh wait, did you checkout the Passport? i think it'd suit you perfect. again it's a pilot cut down to 5 seater , still has the v6 power, and handles better too, low pro tires and stiffer suspension. ie. 'outdoorsy utility'. but....holy shit it's pricey \:\(

tacoma nice though..would get that instead. and yes the FJ was awesome when it was alive. loved the look of it.


Edited by Screamin Type ARGH! (12/06/19 05:38 PM)
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#9694505 - 12/06/19 05:53 PM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: Screamin Type ARGH!]
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FJ was freaking awesome except for the shitty rust it got on the frame. It was rotting lmfaooooo

Fucking Japanese just don’t know how to rust proof cars.
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#9694506 - 12/06/19 05:53 PM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: Senor Eduardo_82]
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I hope whatever you choose, it's a SICRYDE


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#9694664 - 12/06/19 10:38 PM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: titty sprinkles]
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Used 2016 Honda Pilots seems to go for under $25k. Can haul plenty of canoes.
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#9694697 - 12/07/19 12:37 AM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: A2B-Lexus]
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#9694719 - 12/07/19 07:34 AM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: LNXGUY]
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Most of the suggestions don't come in manual. T_T

The alltrack doesn't do it for me.
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#9695022 - 12/08/19 09:17 AM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: LNXGUY]
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Golf Alltrack.


I just picked one up... can fit 3 young kids in the back seat and 2 retrievers with the seats up. They're discontinuing them so they're going for decent prices with 0% financing.

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#9695039 - 12/08/19 10:07 AM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: ehko]
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Golf Alltrack.


I just picked one up... can fit 3 young kids in the back seat and 2 retrievers with the seats up. They're discontinuing them so they're going for decent prices with 0% financing.


I want the 6spd so bad!!!
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#9695114 - 12/08/19 02:06 PM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: Hatorade]
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Golf Alltrack.


I just picked one up... can fit 3 young kids in the back seat and 2 retrievers with the seats up. They're discontinuing them so they're going for decent prices with 0% financing.


I want the Aztek so bad!!!

\:o
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#9695187 - 12/08/19 04:39 PM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: Screamin Type ARGH!]
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why no fords
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#9695350 - 12/09/19 06:39 AM Re: car shopping is frustrating ... [Re: Lafora]
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