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#7497987 - 01/15/14 01:06 PM how do you guys manage money month to month
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my wife and i suck at spending money properly. i want to track where we spend money easily so i can look at it later and see how much we spent on what category.

do you guys use any money management tools? any recommendations?

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#7497994 - 01/15/14 01:10 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: Balhar]
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excel ? there's some apps on phones too if you need to actually keep track on the spot.
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#7498016 - 01/15/14 01:17 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: phoenixrage]
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We split the costs here.
For example, one person takes care of mortage, prop tax & the other takes care of groceries and utilities. Each person takes care of their own auto.

Regarding "how much you should spend" it's easy. You budget yourself--no spreadsheet necessary. Say your monthly individual income is 4k. Assume your "portion" of the fixed costs is 2k. That leaves 2k for your auto, discretionary spending and saving. If you don't know how much you put on your cc on a monthly basis, then I don't know what can help you \:\) Check online banking regulary and you'll be fine.

Now, if you're really far gone...go find a financial advisor and put a structure to the income that your household is raking in.
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#7498033 - 01/15/14 01:22 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: 4age]
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RBC, FTW!

http://www.rbcroyalbank.com/online-services/my-finance-tracker.html

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#7498049 - 01/15/14 01:29 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: Senor Eduardo_82]
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We keep it pretty simple.

We have a joint account where both incomes/expenses go into. We also have 2 joint credit cards, we only use one, the other one is a backup.

All three are linked to MINT App on our phones and it categorizes everything month to month making this extremely simple. We both see our joint spending at any point in time, it send you alerts if there are out of the oridnary expenses (wife buying shoes for example ;\) ) etc.


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#7498051 - 01/15/14 01:30 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: Risky Business]
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mint does a decent job of breaking it up for you.

doe any banking app you can log in to see wtf you are spending money on. Unless you have out of control cc spending its not really hard to track even without an app.
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#7498054 - 01/15/14 01:31 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: Euphoricuck]
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I don't know about other banks, but TD's app is a pos.
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#7498056 - 01/15/14 01:32 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: Euphoricuck]
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Pay all the shit, whatever is left over goes somewhere else.
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#7498062 - 01/15/14 01:34 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: Risky Business]
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bmo one is pretty simple.
It doesnt have any fancy features like mint, but I can access accounts, pay bills. And it will update with any debit purchase right away and show the history.
i try to keep cc use to a minimum and pay debit mostly so I generally know waht im spending.

besides regular bills I spend the most on food(eating out)/alcohol. and even then its not THAT crazy. then again I am a true peasant.
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#7498082 - 01/15/14 01:40 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: Euphoricuck]
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dat brava doe
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#7498085 - 01/15/14 01:40 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: Risky Business]
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 Originally Posted By: Яeesky Beeznuss
All three are linked to MINT App on our phones and it categorizes everything month to month making this extremely simple.


How does this work? How does it categorize it? Does this require some input/config from you initially?

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#7498093 - 01/15/14 01:44 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: SuPeR-MaRiO]
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#7498099 - 01/15/14 01:47 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: Choco 'Nuck]
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let me make it clearer.
we have no debt outside of the mortgage on the house
both cars are paid off etc etc.
we have money going into RRSP and RESP

but the problem is just spending money on shit.
groceries, clothes, shit for the kids, eating out etc etc.

i just want a better way to track what we actually spend our money on.
yes we are saving money each month and putting it aside, but i think it could be a lot more.

i will look into some of these options. keep em coming

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#7498113 - 01/15/14 01:54 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: Balhar]
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#7498130 - 01/15/14 02:00 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: Choco 'Nuck]
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quicken. I remember the first time my dad got a computer....
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#7498131 - 01/15/14 02:00 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: Balhar]
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 Originally Posted By: Balhar
let me make it clearer.
we have no debt outside of the mortgage on the house
both cars are paid off etc etc.
we have money going into RRSP and RESP

but the problem is just spending money on shit.
groceries, clothes, shit for the kids, eating out etc etc.

i just want a better way to track what we actually spend our money on.
yes we are saving money each month and putting it aside, but i think it could be a lot more.

i will look into some of these options. keep em coming


umm.....ok, that's what Mint is for.

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#7498133 - 01/15/14 02:01 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: Balhar]
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definitely check out mint.
edit: treed
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#7498144 - 01/15/14 02:03 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: Euphoricuck]
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Mint sounds pretty cool.
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#7498146 - 01/15/14 02:04 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: SuPeR-MaRiO]
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 Originally Posted By: SuPeR-MaRiO
 Originally Posted By: Яeesky Beeznuss
All three are linked to MINT App on our phones and it categorizes everything month to month making this extremely simple.


How does this work? How does it categorize it? Does this require some input/config from you initially?


When you sign up for mint you have to link your bank accounts/CC accounts if seperate, etc. Once this is done, it will automatically categorize your expenses, but there will be a bunch of uncategorized stuff. You basically go through a list of items that aren't categorized and there is a drop down menu next to it allowing you to choose a category. Let's say you do this at the end of every month it will learn your spending/vendors and you will be set. Then log into your phone and see spending in a variety of ways.

The really neat thing about mint is that it eliminates inter company transfers. Let's say you took 2k out of your chequing account to pay off your VISA, mint doesn't double count. It knows that 2k is for a visa so it doesn't cateogrize it as an expense, since it has already taken into account the visa expenses which the cash is paying for.

This is what the interface is like: (old one, new one is better)

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#7498407 - 01/15/14 03:15 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: Risky Business]
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You should be able to export all your transactions within a certain time period to a csv file then open it in xls. Should have descriptions for each transaction and can easily be grouped to categories.
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#7498485 - 01/15/14 03:37 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: Big Tasty]
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pay all the bills and expenses and savings, whoever has extra money left over keeps it and does whatever with it.
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#7498586 - 01/15/14 04:04 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: Big Tasty]
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 Originally Posted By: Big Tasty
You should be able to export all your transactions within a certain time period to a csv file then open it in xls. Should have descriptions for each transaction and can easily be grouped to categories.



Used to do that for years, hated it. Doesn't take into account for inter account transfers, categorizing is a pita, especially if you are managing multiple accounts, etc.

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#7498852 - 01/15/14 05:49 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: Risky Business]
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 Originally Posted By: Яeesky Beeznuss
 Originally Posted By: SuPeR-MaRiO
 Originally Posted By: Яeesky Beeznuss
All three are linked to MINT App on our phones and it categorizes everything month to month making this extremely simple.


How does this work? How does it categorize it? Does this require some input/config from you initially?


When you sign up for mint you have to link your bank accounts/CC accounts if seperate, etc. Once this is done, it will automatically categorize your expenses, but there will be a bunch of uncategorized stuff. You basically go through a list of items that aren't categorized and there is a drop down menu next to it allowing you to choose a category. Let's say you do this at the end of every month it will learn your spending/vendors and you will be set. Then log into your phone and see spending in a variety of ways.

The really neat thing about mint is that it eliminates inter company transfers. Let's say you took 2k out of your chequing account to pay off your VISA, mint doesn't double count. It knows that 2k is for a visa so it doesn't cateogrize it as an expense, since it has already taken into account the visa expenses which the cash is paying for.

This is what the interface is like: (old one, new one is better)


Interesting - I don't think I need this right now but it's definitely cool
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#7498867 - 01/15/14 05:55 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: JEFFOS]
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mint is awesome

i signed up for it a few years ago... i dont use it just yet on a daily but it's def nice to have


one thing that pisses me off, and i dont know if this is just my bank or not, but when paying for gas with debit it NEVER says the retailer description

only description is "Purchase POS"

and i find that is like that for MOST gas stations

and its ONLY for gas stations. everything else has an identifiable description.

makes it a little tricky to categorize gas



/rant

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#7498964 - 01/15/14 06:23 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: spd-dmn]
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i wanna use Mint but i'm paranoid about letting a 3rd party company know all my investments/purchases.

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#7499046 - 01/15/14 07:02 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: zaius]
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i wanna use Mint but i'm paranoid about letting a 3rd party company know all my investments/purchases.

/tinfoldhat


+1

my wife needs something to track her spending, she usually pays cash for many things and forgets what she spends it on

mine is simple hookers and blow

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#7499055 - 01/15/14 07:10 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: zaius]
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My wife and I do the exact same as 4age.
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#7499143 - 01/15/14 07:54 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: spd-dmn]
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 Originally Posted By: spd-dmn
mint is awesome

i signed up for it a few years ago... i dont use it just yet on a daily but it's def nice to have


one thing that pisses me off, and i dont know if this is just my bank or not, but when paying for gas with debit it NEVER says the retailer description

only description is "Purchase POS"

and i find that is like that for MOST gas stations

and its ONLY for gas stations. everything else has an identifiable description.

makes it a little tricky to categorize gas



/rant


Might be your institution.. BMO will usually give me the vendor and partial street address on the payment which is pretty cool.
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#7499284 - 01/15/14 09:03 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: LNXGUY]
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Do what 4age does currently.


Risky just blew my mind though. Does mint cost anything? Does it link to email or cell phone for alerts on out of the ordinary purchases?

It would be a nice constant reminder of how were doing with the savings.

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#7499294 - 01/15/14 09:07 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: Wildout]
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mint is free app. check your phones app store.
and yes it links to email so when big purchases or deposits come in an email is sent to you
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#7499295 - 01/15/14 09:09 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: zaius]
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i'm paranoid about letting a 3rd party company know all my investments/
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#7499303 - 01/15/14 09:12 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: Wildout]
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Mint doesn't cost you anything, they make their money with ads catered to your needs. For example, when I open the app on my phone it might give me a promo for MBNA 0% interest card, or some bank account from ING with no fees, nothing intrusive.

As far as security of the information, I am not really sure what's there that's so sensitive. Let's say the info gets out of how much money you have/make/whatever...who cares? I don't, and the chances of that happening are probably as slim as someone hacking your bank info in a different way.

Mint has been well reviewed by shit ton of financial blogs, to my knowledge security has never been an issue. Again I am not holding my breath, but at the end it's all useless info anyway. It's just a read only access app, you can't do transactions through it. It takes all of your accounts and consolidates them into one for the sake of spending habits only and then allows you to track you spending by monthly averages, categories, it notifies you via email of large withdrawls/deposits/banks fees, etc.

What's good about mint is that it also shows you your net worth, if will combine your RRSP/TFSA/RSP/Savings/LOC/CC/Chequing/Mortgage (if you choose to), and it will show you what your net worth is and over time it will show you your net worth growth/decline, whatever the fuck you are doing in life.

I personally don't include more than I have to, for me it's just CC's and bank accounts to track spending. Investments are useless for mint as I don't need to know daily fluctuations and I personally don't care to know about them as they are out of my control, expenses however are in my control.

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#7499319 - 01/15/14 09:20 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: Risky Business]
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i like my old school excel.
but its so easy when the formula shows INCOME-EXPENSE=0 every time!

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#7499333 - 01/15/14 09:27 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: Simon_the_Pieman]
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#7499364 - 01/15/14 09:44 PM Re: how do you guys manage money month to month [Re: Wildout]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildout
Does it link to email or cell phone for alerts on out of the ordinary purchases?


Man, RBC already has that too.

http://www.rbcroyalbank.com/olbtour/personal/alerts/main.html

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