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#6462375 - 07/17/12 07:51 AM scarb block party shooting
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http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/crime/ar...-at-block-party


19 hurt, 2 dead... fucking hell thats nuts


sorry wayne but this needs it's own thread

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#6462379 - 07/17/12 07:56 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: Balhar]
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Need I say more?

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#6462382 - 07/17/12 07:59 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: Choco 'Nuck]
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some guy got capped in pickering by the cops. surprised Wayne didnt crash the internet with star articles on it ;\)
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#6462391 - 07/17/12 08:08 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: Euphoricuck]
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yea.. listening to the ppl talk about it on the radio on the drive in.

sadly there is no one single solution to the "problem", and you'll need everyone in the community to step up to combat this, and have the government help on several fronts.

First, gotta make the sentences tougher, the justice system needs to be revamped and updated. The system is overwhelmed with the number of people waiting, so they end up being let go if the wait is too long. I say, they are held until they are done with the trial, maybe give them some credit for time spent waiting depending on the severity of the crime, and whatever criminal history is there. If they are repeat offenders, don't give them any credit. These people need to be off the streets and stay off the streets.

Second, maybe help the local churches out by funding them and letting them become some level of daycare which then can allow the parents to work their jobs? (instead of just giving them welfare). This way you can get to the kids and hopefully steer them away from the gang lifestyle. But this will only work if you have successful members of the community come in and volunteer their time to help these kids see that there's more out there.
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#6462406 - 07/17/12 08:23 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: phoenixrage]
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#6462412 - 07/17/12 08:25 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: Senor Eduardo_82]
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being stuck in traffic gives me time to think LOL
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#6462419 - 07/17/12 08:29 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: phoenixrage]
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 Originally Posted By: phoenixrage
yea.. listening to the ppl talk about it on the radio on the drive in.

sadly there is no one single solution to the "problem", and you'll need everyone in the community to step up to combat this, and have the government help on several fronts.

First, gotta make the sentences tougher, the justice system needs to be revamped and updated. The system is overwhelmed with the number of people waiting, so they end up being let go if the wait is too long. I say, they are held until they are done with the trial, maybe give them some credit for time spent waiting depending on the severity of the crime, and whatever criminal history is there. If they are repeat offenders, don't give them any credit. These people need to be off the streets and stay off the streets.

Second, maybe help the local churches out by funding them and letting them become some level of daycare which then can allow the parents to work their jobs? (instead of just giving them welfare). This way you can get to the kids and hopefully steer them away from the gang lifestyle. But this will only work if you have successful members of the community come in and volunteer their time to help these kids see that there's more out there.

So you want to pay more taxes to build more prisons to pay to incarcerate these people? You realize that its cheaper to fund social programs than it is to pay the approximately 120k/yr to house a federal prisoner.

Unless of course you are advocating the building of prisons run for profit (see the US model). There the coporations influence the politicians to pass 3 strikes laws so that their profits keep getting bigger.

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#6462422 - 07/17/12 08:30 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: Choco 'Nuck]
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send the fuckers to the middle east to help the peace keeping / war effort, we'll see how tough they are then when being shot back at or dealing with IED's.
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#6462428 - 07/17/12 08:34 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: Choco 'Nuck]
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 Originally Posted By: Chocolate Canuck
 Originally Posted By: phoenixrage
yea.. listening to the ppl talk about it on the radio on the drive in.

sadly there is no one single solution to the "problem", and you'll need everyone in the community to step up to combat this, and have the government help on several fronts.

First, gotta make the sentences tougher, the justice system needs to be revamped and updated. The system is overwhelmed with the number of people waiting, so they end up being let go if the wait is too long. I say, they are held until they are done with the trial, maybe give them some credit for time spent waiting depending on the severity of the crime, and whatever criminal history is there. If they are repeat offenders, don't give them any credit. These people need to be off the streets and stay off the streets.

Second, maybe help the local churches out by funding them and letting them become some level of daycare which then can allow the parents to work their jobs? (instead of just giving them welfare). This way you can get to the kids and hopefully steer them away from the gang lifestyle. But this will only work if you have successful members of the community come in and volunteer their time to help these kids see that there's more out there.

So you want to pay more taxes to build more prisons to pay to incarcerate these people? You realize that its cheaper to fund social programs than it is to pay the approximately 120k/yr to house a federal prisoner.

Unless of course you are advocating the building of prisons run for profit (see the US model). There the coporations influence the politicians to pass 3 strikes laws so that their profits keep getting bigger.


well, IMO you need both, as there are some people who are not willing to change.

either way, I'd rather taxes be paid towards something tangible vs paying out to more welfare recipients. Since people in these communities have a hard time finding better oppertunities, yet they will still keep having more kids than they can afford to raise on their own. Our tax dollars are already being given to them to perpetuate the problem.

I know it may not be practical for a bunch of people in these communities, but would having a program that moves individual families out of the city work? i.e. move one family to a small town away from the city (i.e. up north or whatever). Idealy, a place that has job oppertunities for the parent(s), and allows them to afford to save up some money and put their kid(s) through school in a better environment?
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#6462434 - 07/17/12 08:36 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: Screamin Type ARGH!]
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There should be a large manditory police presents during these events. You want a block party, then you have to have x number of police there. Ya people will be crying discrimination and it may even prevent events happening but it may also prevent things like this.
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#6462435 - 07/17/12 08:37 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: Big Tasty]
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 Originally Posted By: Big Tasty
There should be a large manditory police presents during these events. You want a block party, then you have to have x number of police there. Ya people will be crying discrimination and it may even prevent events happening but it may also prevent things like this.


gift wrapped kevlar vests ?
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#6462438 - 07/17/12 08:38 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: Big Tasty]
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 Originally Posted By: Big Tasty
There should be a large manditory police presents during these events. You want a block party, then you have to have x number of police there. Ya people will be crying discrimination and it may even prevent events happening but it may also prevent things like this.


white folk 'block party'?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmX-U22ZX0g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmBc8_uD5Nw

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#6462447 - 07/17/12 08:44 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: phoenixrage]
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 Originally Posted By: phoenixrage
 Originally Posted By: Big Tasty
There should be a large manditory police presents during these events. You want a block party, then you have to have x number of police there. Ya people will be crying discrimination and it may even prevent events happening but it may also prevent things like this.


gift wrapped kevlar vests ?


I got a present for you \:D
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#6462450 - 07/17/12 08:47 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: Big Tasty]
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tossing some of these dolts into jail longer wont do much.

we dont want to emulate the us system.
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#6462455 - 07/17/12 08:51 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: Big Tasty]
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 Originally Posted By: Big Tasty
There should be a large manditory police presents during these events. You want a block party, then you have to have x number of police there. Ya people will be crying discrimination and it may even prevent events happening but it may also prevent things like this.

I agree with this.

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#6462463 - 07/17/12 08:53 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: Choco 'Nuck]
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so you're going to make the community pay for each event? or would it be "free" (i.e. the rest of us pay)?
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#6462473 - 07/17/12 08:58 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: Big Tasty]
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blocko, wtf is this? First time I've heard of this sh!t.

Morningside & Lawrence is puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrreee scum area.

If you really think about it, for 19 people to be injured, this must've been a fawking full out shootout.

As far as sentencing and tougher punishment, etc...it won't solve anything. Just kill them, bring the death penalty, expedite the process so it doesn't cost as much between courts/trials/appeals, and move on.

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#6462476 - 07/17/12 08:59 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: Risky Business]
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expedite the process so it doesn't cost as much between courts/trials/appeals, and move on.
Send them to the gulag in Siberia in mother Russia

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#6462484 - 07/17/12 09:00 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: Choco 'Nuck]
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 Originally Posted By: Chocolate Canuck
 Originally Posted By: Risky Business
expedite the process so it doesn't cost as much between courts/trials/appeals, and move on.
Send them to the gulag in Siberia in mother Russia
we have found out who the troll JACN actually is. gnsp you dun goofed
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#6462486 - 07/17/12 09:01 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: phoenixrage]
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Do you need to purchase a permit for block parties? Maybe do a subsidized fee for police where the community and gov pays together.

At the very least have more patrols around the area. It would be in everyone's best interest to have them "seen" as a preventative effort. I'm sure the aftermath is clocking more man hours than if they were there for "free" in the first place.

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#6462499 - 07/17/12 09:06 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: Big Tasty]
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well, that would require the community to be pro-active on their own as well.

at the same time, the same community turns around and protects each other first before helping the police with their investigation. If they don't trust the police, why would they openly ask for their help?
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#6462504 - 07/17/12 09:09 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: Big Tasty]
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 Originally Posted By: Big Tasty
Do you need to purchase a permit for block parties? Maybe do a subsidized fee for police where the community and gov pays together.

At the very least have more patrols around the area. It would be in everyone's best interest to have them "seen" as a preventative effort. I'm sure the aftermath is clocking more man hours than if they were there for "free" in the first place.


Pretty sure that entire area is full of cop haters, cops got no cooperation, they get sworn at, people don't want to talk. I'd hate to be a cop and work with the bottom feeders of society. I'd gladly turn my back on them and just let them all off each other, that's probably why cops don't want to be there.

If you are gonna yell profanities at them, disrespect them, etc how much help do you think those "residents" would get. That area has such a beautiful pocket (guildwood), but it's surrounded by this SCUM.

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#6462510 - 07/17/12 09:11 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: Risky Business]
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There's just a general lack of respect all around, and neither side is willing to take the first steps to stop the cycle. That is why the rest of the population does not care, and nothing gets solved.
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#6462515 - 07/17/12 09:17 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: phoenixrage]
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There are reasons for the lack of respect....on both sides.


and police respect has been failing with the rest of society too

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#6462524 - 07/17/12 09:25 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: Euphoricuck]
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Yea, well.. that is really the first thing that needs to change IMO. But I guess that's more a cultural thing?
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#6462527 - 07/17/12 09:27 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: phoenixrage]
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#6462595 - 07/17/12 09:55 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: Screamin Type ARGH!]
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send the fuckers to the middle east to help the peace keeping / war effort, we'll see how tough they are then when being shot back at or dealing with IED's.


forget that, we need the chain gang, put these guys to work that will at least bring some comfort for the 100k or so it costs to house them.
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#6462622 - 07/17/12 10:07 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: Euphoricuck]
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 Originally Posted By: Euphoric
 Originally Posted By: Chocolate Canuck
 Originally Posted By: Risky Business
expedite the process so it doesn't cost as much between courts/trials/appeals, and move on.
Send them to the gulag in Siberia in mother Russia
we have found out who the troll JACN actually is. gnsp you dun goofed

Haha, nice diversion attempt. We need to look at the IPs and find out who it really is

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#6462629 - 07/17/12 10:13 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: Choco 'Nuck]
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Phil watched the desperate mother pump her teenaged daughter’s chest as blood soaked her shirt. The teen sucked air in bursts, unable to take full breaths.

“Keep awake,” her sobbing mother said. “Keep awake.”

Phil looked at his watch, as he waited for help to arrive. Ten minutes passed. Then 20. Then 30.
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“She was sucking air,” said Phil, who did not want to give his last name. “Then she took her last two breaths, real quick, then stopped.”

She died.

Where was 355-SI?

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#6462631 - 07/17/12 10:13 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: Choco 'Nuck]
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Hey guys, we don't have 100% confirmation still, but the 23 yr old male victim is my wife's cousin. He was a good kid. Graduated from York and started up his own business. My wife's family is all at her aunts house and everyone is devastated. Just waiting to hear back from the homicide squad/coroner. RIP Josh.
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#6462643 - 07/17/12 10:18 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: Alpha-Trion]
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^^ \:o
All joking aside, my condolences to you and wife. It never hits home that it could be anyone of us as innocent bystanders with this gun violence.

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#6462663 - 07/17/12 10:22 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: Alpha-Trion]
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Hey guys, we don't have 100% confirmation still, but the 23 yr old male victim is my wife's cousin. He was a good kid. Graduated from York and started up his own business. My wife's family is all at her aunts house and everyone is devastated. Just waiting to hear back from the homicide squad/coroner. RIP Josh.


Did he live there?

RIP

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#6462664 - 07/17/12 10:22 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: Choco 'Nuck]
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^^ \:o
All joking aside, my condolences to you and wife.


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#6462684 - 07/17/12 10:28 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: Risky Business]
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Hey guys, we don't have 100% confirmation still, but the 23 yr old male victim is my wife's cousin. He was a good kid. Graduated from York and started up his own business. My wife's family is all at her aunts house and everyone is devastated. Just waiting to hear back from the homicide squad/coroner. RIP Josh.


Did he live there?

RIP

He lives in Ajax with his family. Just bought a new car too. Funny thing was the last time we spoke, he was telling us he wanted to be a cop. He was truly an innocent bystander and was at the wrong place at the wrong time. Please value each minute of your lives because you truly never know when your life can be senselessly taken.

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#6462694 - 07/17/12 10:30 AM Re: scarb block party shooting [Re: Risky Business]
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 Originally Posted By: Big Tasty
Do you need to purchase a permit for block parties? Maybe do a subsidized fee for police where the community and gov pays together.

At the very least have more patrols around the area. It would be in everyone's best interest to have them "seen" as a preventative effort. I'm sure the aftermath is clocking more man hours than if they were there for "free" in the first place.


Pretty sure that entire area is full of cop haters, cops got no cooperation, they get sworn at, people don't want to talk. I'd hate to be a cop and work with the bottom feeders of society. I'd gladly turn my back on them and just let them all off each other, that's probably why cops don't want to be there.

If you are gonna yell profanities at them, disrespect them, etc how much help do you think those "residents" would get. That area has such a beautiful pocket (guildwood), but it's surrounded by this SCUM.


What he said.

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