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#5835015 - 10/01/11 10:33 AM Filler that I can drill into
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Hey Guys,

Got a big ass hole that I need to fill and mount/install a handrail into. What filler is capable and strong enough to do this?

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#5835035 - 10/01/11 10:47 AM Re: Filler that I can drill into [Re: civic13]
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Define "big ass". Also what is the surface material, drywall?

If so i'd screw some plywood on the backside of the drywall, cut a piece of drywall and screw to the plywood to patch the hole. Mud, sand, repeat then finish, now you have a nice sturdy section to screw right into.

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#5835053 - 10/01/11 11:00 AM Re: Filler that I can drill into [Re: robbbby]
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big ass = 1-1.5" diameter and about 1" deep \:\)
Yup, drywall.
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#5835080 - 10/01/11 11:31 AM Re: Filler that I can drill into [Re: civic13]
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Why are you securing a railing to drywall?
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#5835090 - 10/01/11 11:47 AM Re: Filler that I can drill into [Re: 87ZCSi]
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I just assumed it was drywall and if it is, it was a resale home and the previous owner/builder/whatever had done it that way.
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#5835117 - 10/01/11 12:09 PM Re: Filler that I can drill into [Re: civic13]
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Just find the studs and screw the railing to that, fuck this drywall secured railing bullshit.
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#5835197 - 10/01/11 01:22 PM Re: Filler that I can drill into [Re: Risk E. Business, esq.]
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I'll check but I don't think any studs are close-by \:\(
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#5835282 - 10/01/11 02:25 PM Re: Filler that I can drill into [Re: robbbby]
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 Originally Posted By: robbbby
Define "big ass". Also what is the surface material, drywall?

If so i'd screw some plywood on the backside of the drywall, cut a piece of drywall and screw to the plywood to patch the hole. Mud, sand, repeat then finish, now you have a nice sturdy section to screw right into.


+1. do it right the first time.
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#5835295 - 10/01/11 02:35 PM Re: Filler that I can drill into [Re: civic13]
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 Originally Posted By: civic13
I'll check but I don't think any studs are close-by \:\(


move the bracket to accommodate

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#5835297 - 10/01/11 02:36 PM Re: Filler that I can drill into [Re: zaius]
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 Originally Posted By: zaius
 Originally Posted By: robbbby
Define "big ass". Also what is the surface material, drywall?

If so i'd screw some plywood on the backside of the drywall, cut a piece of drywall and screw to the plywood to patch the hole. Mud, sand, repeat then finish, now you have a nice sturdy section to screw right into.


+1. do it right the first time.


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#5835300 - 10/01/11 02:39 PM Re: Filler that I can drill into [Re: civic13]
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 Originally Posted By: civic13
big ass = 1-1.5" diameter and about 1" deep \:\)
Yup, drywall.


If you absolutely cannot hit a stud i'd go the route I previously suggested, except you need to make that hole bigger, i'd cut it at least 5"x5", you are going to need to do patch work regardless so make it big enough that it is easy to work with and you can guarantee you will be able to hit the wood when you go install the railing.

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#5835394 - 10/01/11 04:45 PM Re: Filler that I can drill into [Re: robbbby]
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Ok, thanks robbby. Another thing is it seems like the hand rail is one piece which starts from the main level and travels upstairs. I don't see a way of removing the culprit section to work on the wall. I'll try and take a pic of it tonight but do you have any suggestions?
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#5835482 - 10/01/11 06:26 PM Re: Filler that I can drill into [Re: civic13]
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remove the rail from the brackets and leave the brackets in the wall? At least that way you can line everything back up using the existing screw holes.
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#5835606 - 10/01/11 07:43 PM Re: Filler that I can drill into [Re: robbbby]
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yea i would just slip a piece of wood behind the hole, screw it thru the drywall, patch and mud and everything then mount the handle.
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#5836010 - 10/02/11 02:41 AM Re: Filler that I can drill into [Re: titty sprinkles]
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Robbbby's idea is great, but can you take a pic of the situation to help us understand.

What fucking asshole would screw a railing into drywall, there is a reason you have a hole in there now.

I don't know much about house renos, but one thing i've learned over the last month is that you do it fucking ONCE and you do it right or you don't do it.

Like the stupid ground i got for my electrical box, after some research robbby was right that shit is for grounding fucking copper plumbing pipe, i am now going to go and find a place to sell me the right shit. it's annoying as fuck but i can't stand bullshit hack jobs.

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#5836176 - 10/02/11 09:56 AM Re: Filler that I can drill into [Re: Risk E. Business, esq.]
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I'll try and get a pic later today to show the issue at hand.

If you're in the elgin mills yonge area there's an electrical store there that I got all my wiring and misc stuff from for when I changed my panel from fuses to breakers. A guy at my work is a master electrician and he changed it out for me. I'll look for a receipt.
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#5837056 - 10/02/11 07:54 PM Re: Filler that I can drill into [Re: civic13]
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Ok, the electrical store is called Hill Supplies; 157 Crosby Avenue, Richmond Hill, Ontario, Canada, L4C 2R3.

Here are the pics don't mind the crappy cell pix and the gawd awful yellow (we'll be painting it fo sure).

This is the railing in question with the issue circled in red


The culprit




And this is the underside. As you can see that dark strip is all metal and runs the entire length of the railing. Although there are screws to possibly take it apart the wood "seems" to be one piece.
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#5837082 - 10/02/11 08:14 PM Re: Filler that I can drill into [Re: civic13]
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by the looks of it, the wall bracket looks like it is all one piece with the metal under the handrail. Since it's one piece you obviously can't move the position of the bracket. Looks like your only choice is to do it the way I said or remove that metal/bracket(s) strip from the handrail and just go buy new brackets that screw right into the wood.
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#5837111 - 10/02/11 08:36 PM Re: Filler that I can drill into [Re: robbbby]
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Ok, so how about this, make a hole 5x5, cut a piece of plywood maybe 6x5 and finesse it into the hole, secure, cut drywall 5x5, secure to plywood, patch, finish, and mount rail. Now what kind of screws would I use to secure the plywood to the drywall and vice versa?
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#5837123 - 10/02/11 08:49 PM Re: Filler that I can drill into [Re: civic13]
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i'd cut it AT LEAST 5x5. obviously the larger you go the better, and since you are patching anyways an inch or two bigger won't matter.

Anyways, you are pretty much on track for what to do, except for the size of wood, you want to cut the wood smaller then the hole but much longer. If we use the 5x5 as an example you would want to rip a piece that is like 4"x8", that way you can slip it in and have 1.5" top and bottom of the hole (or side to side), to put drywall screws in.

tip - the piece of wood you are going to install behind the drywall.. after you cut it to size, put a screw in the center of it. Now you can use that screw to manouver the wood into the wall without needing to actually fumble with the piece of wood. That way you can hold the wood in place while you put some screws into it.

As for screwing the rail after, some number 10 wood screws should hold fine, just make sure you use a decent thickness of plywood, 1/2" at minimum but 5/8 or 3/4 would be better.

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#5837225 - 10/02/11 09:58 PM Re: Filler that I can drill into [Re: robbbby]
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looks like they are using a toggle bolt right now to hold that bottom bracket in

I would take the whole handrail off by removing the wood then remove the metal bracket all along the wall, fix the culprit than reinstall

your only going to make more work and a larger work area by trying to fix it with the railing in place.

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#5837237 - 10/02/11 10:10 PM Re: Filler that I can drill into [Re: loudsubz]
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 Originally Posted By: loudsubz
looks like they are using a toggle bolt right now to hold that bottom bracket in

I would take the whole handrail off by removing the wood then remove the metal bracket all along the wall, fix the culprit than reinstall

your only going to make more work and a larger work area by trying to fix it with the railing in place.

I would if I could Matt but the railing goes all the way upstairs and are attached by metal spindles (the old kind) which are mounted some how into the hardwood floor.

Thanks for the tip robbby, never would've thought about how I would maneuver the piece of plywood in the hole.

Oh and what is your take on MDF instead of plywood?
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#5837333 - 10/02/11 11:42 PM Re: Filler that I can drill into [Re: civic13]
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I don't think MDF or plywood makes a difference in your situation, but personally I'd use something thicker. I'd take robbbbby's idea, but i'd slip a long 2x4 in there, then from the wall side i'd screw it in through the drywall, then secure your railing. Fill the screw holes in drywall, sand, and paint once you paint the whole thing.
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#5843759 - 10/05/11 09:03 PM Re: Filler that I can drill into [Re: Risk E. Business, esq.]
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Thanks man. Really appreciate your help too. Is it hard to mud and cover up the screw heads and whatnot? I'm ok at filling in cracks and holes but never did this before (as you can tell) :).

Was wondering also what you guys think of these pieces of equipment I just got for trim work and baseboard installs and other things. I recommended to get these as they are good quality tools.

Rolair JC10 compressor
Grex 1850GB 18ga brad nailer
Grex P650 23ga pinner
Festool CXS drill
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#5843787 - 10/05/11 09:13 PM Re: Filler that I can drill into [Re: civic13]
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A tool is a tool, don't spend much unless you will use it alot or are in the trade.

A cheap princess auto brad nailer would be more than enough for trim work around the house.

Not sure on the compressor but this guy seems to like it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTZ5dPsJCYg

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