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#4222065 - 11/05/09 06:31 AM i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!!
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This Shelley Carroll cunt can die in a sweet fire.

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs...chief-says.aspx

but where do i move...i hate mississauga and milton and can't stand the horrible chinese traffic of markham & richmond hill...

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#4222075 - 11/05/09 06:45 AM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: TheRealCSnapper]
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Toronto is a big city. Big cities have large and unique infrastructure and social welfare costs that smaller towns do not. Either those costs are paid for through higher taxes or something else (schools, police, garbage pickup, fire departments, general maintenance - take your pick) must be cut.

This is not to say that a Toronto-only sales tax is definitely the best solution, but it may be. No one likes taxes, but everyone gripes when their potholes aren't fixed, when garbage pickup moves to every other week, or when cops take two days to show up for a break-in because their resources are stretched elsewhere. You can't have it both ways.
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#4222093 - 11/05/09 07:14 AM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: Humourless]
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oakville? since you work in the area...
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#4222112 - 11/05/09 07:27 AM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: Humourless]
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 Originally Posted By: Humourless
Toronto is a big city. Big cities have large and unique infrastructure and social welfare costs that smaller towns do not. Either those costs are paid for through higher taxes or something else (schools, police, garbage pickup, fire departments, general maintenance - take your pick) must be cut.

This is not to say that a Toronto-only sales tax is definitely the best solution, but it may be. No one likes taxes, but everyone gripes when their potholes aren't fixed, when garbage pickup moves to every other week, or when cops take two days to show up for a break-in because their resources are stretched elsewhere. You can't have it both ways.

oh no..i understand that if i want something, i must pay for it...

i'm just not sure if this is the best way to raise the funds needed...if the money is going to transit, perhaps the group most taxed is the transit users (ie. the ppl who comes in to the city but doesn't pay the taxes) and so on...i dunno, i'm just talking out of my ass....

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#4222131 - 11/05/09 07:39 AM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: TheRealCSnapper]
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http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/n...udget-shortfall

and soon we have (well, hopefully not some of us outside 'toronto' \:D ) pay $50 in order to PAY your taxes lolwtfbbq

(not sure if it's in the op's link, just skimmed it)
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#4222143 - 11/05/09 07:44 AM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: Screamin' Type-R]
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^^ Toronto needs to raise their god damn property taxes like every other municipality. Instead they go whining to the province so that other municipalities can continue to subsidize their life style of people owning 700k houses, but paying less taxes than someone in durham with a 300k house.

To toronto - > Grow some cohones and raise the taxes so you can actually afford the services for the people that live/work there.

Also, cut the damn spending on the public service. When a PC first class constable earns 92k/yr, isn't it obvious that the police and ttc budgets will continue to suck up a significant portion of the budget

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#4222157 - 11/05/09 07:50 AM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: Choco 'Nuck]
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Toronto needs to cut their damn spending as well!
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#4222217 - 11/05/09 08:21 AM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: phoenixrage]
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Fuck Ontario. So sick of this shit, it's one thing after another.
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#4222292 - 11/05/09 08:58 AM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: Hatorade]
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Mississauga is nice in a lot of places man - same woth Oakville. Different style of living though.

And yes fuck all these additional taxes and costs. Insurance, taxes, whatever...
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#4222329 - 11/05/09 09:15 AM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: phoenixrage]
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 Originally Posted By: phoenixrage
Toronto needs to cut their damn spending as well!


This. Why the fuck is it that whenever there is a shortfall in the budget, increasing taxes is always on the table. It's time for those spineless people we put in charge to grow some balls and start slashing the cadillac benefit plans, lifetime job security, pensions and excessively high wages paid to government staff. I'm all for paying a living wage and reasonable benefits, but I'm not down with blood suckers that think because they have a union they can sit on there ass and milk the system (not everyone in the union, but the shitbags get protected b/c of the numbers and leverage the union has - this has to stop). Pay for quality and efficiency and throw out the shit.

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#4222356 - 11/05/09 09:22 AM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: Astroboy93]
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it would help if people actually went out and voted. I think less than half the people who can vote, actually show up to vote.
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#4222369 - 11/05/09 09:28 AM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: phoenixrage]
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I have a good story for you union haters. A friend from high school works at Parks and Rec for the union, the job starts at $25/hr and he gets a F350 dump truck that he uses daily. Their job is supposed to be something like 7 am - 2:30pm.

He goes in at 7 am, they all head out to a local coffee shop until 9 am. From 9am until 11ish they go and "work" and then they take a lunch or sit on Queen street and look at girls until 1 ish. When all said and done everyone meets back at the yard for 1:30-2 and chill/hang out and have a coffee and then they take off at 2:30.

I had initially thought that this was scum, but I was very very wrong. My friend told me that there is a senior guy with 20 years seniority who gets close to 40/hr + pension + benefits + takes the work truck HOME. This guy comes into work and right away leaves to do his own jobs. He takes gravel/tools/cement/wood from the City Yard and goes out to do his own construction job. During the day he will just go to a local park where he is supposed to do work, he will spend 45 minutes there, and then he will go back to his construction jobs. The city pays for the truck/gas/insurance/tools, PLUS his hourly wage while he is doing side jobs.

I asked why they let him get away with it, and it's basically like being a cop. You don't rat on your "brothers" since they are all in it together milking the crap out of the system.
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#4222396 - 11/05/09 09:37 AM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: phoenixrage]
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 Originally Posted By: phoenixrage
it would help if people actually went out and voted. I think less than half the people who can vote, actually show up to vote.


You are right about more people needing to vote but I think the bigger problem is that politicians at all levels of government are only concerned with the short term and getting re-elected. No one thinks long term and no one puts there neck out for fear of not being elected again. The system is fucked.

For example, in Toronto, once you have 10 years you cannot be let go if your job is no longer required. The burden is on the City to find something else for you to do. This is insanity. Either the politicans (and they won't) or the public need to stand up against this type of bullshit. The public showed some rage during the recent strike, but it wasn't enough and Millershit fucked things up again in the end anyways.

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#4222453 - 11/05/09 09:55 AM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: Astroboy93]
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^^ I don't give a rats ass about what happens to Toronto due to their mismanagment from their union loving city council. As long as the rest of the province doesn't have to pay for this BS, which inevitably it does. They cry poor and the province gives them more money instead of forcing them to cut spending on the civil service
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#4222472 - 11/05/09 09:59 AM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: Choco 'Nuck]
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#4222476 - 11/05/09 10:00 AM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: Choco 'Nuck]
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srsly, all this need to juice us for MORE money......but where teh fuck are the improvements to the city?!?!?!?!
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#4222504 - 11/05/09 10:09 AM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: Screamin' Type-R]
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im just glad they are almost ready to start paving the 401 West expansion west of 410. (yes, i know its not city related)
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#4222509 - 11/05/09 10:10 AM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: Astroboy93]
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 Originally Posted By: Astroboy93
 Originally Posted By: phoenixrage
it would help if people actually went out and voted. I think less than half the people who can vote, actually show up to vote.


You are right about more people needing to vote but I think the bigger problem is that politicians at all levels of government are only concerned with the short term and getting re-elected. No one thinks long term and no one puts there neck out for fear of not being elected again. The system is fucked.

For example, in Toronto, once you have 10 years you cannot be let go if your job is no longer required. The burden is on the City to find something else for you to do. This is insanity. Either the politicans (and they won't) or the public need to stand up against this type of bullshit. The public showed some rage during the recent strike, but it wasn't enough and Millershit fucked things up again in the end anyways.


have you been to rob ford's site? http://www.robford.ca/

he posts up the vote results and everyone's expenses. something that should be passed aroudn to ppl who have the ability to vote those fuck faces out of office.
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#4222581 - 11/05/09 10:24 AM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: Choco 'Nuck]
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 Originally Posted By: Canuck-MX6
^^ I don't give a rats ass about what happens to Toronto due to their mismanagment from their union loving city council. As long as the rest of the province doesn't have to pay for this BS, which inevitably it does. They cry poor and the province gives them more money instead of forcing them to cut spending on the civil service


Yes there is mismanagement and the council is a bunch of union humpers. But you need start looking out your suburban windows a bit more. For example, when someone becomes homeless in Whitby, where do you think they go? Do they chill at 401/Thickson AMC or do they head to the centre of the universe \:\) I agree the province shouldn't dish out money blindly but there are other factors as well. You can't just go by property tax rate and compare which is less or more. What about the group of surbanites that use Toronto roads when going to work, or going to the entertainment district on the weekend, etc... It's not like every city in the GTA is a different country with borders and we have toll fees to enter.

The entire GTA generates a large amount of the economic wealth of the province. Toronto has more numbers and thus has a better chance of getting money when they start begging (hmmmm, sounds like the unions LOL).

Weak vision at the provincial level for the GTA, bickering politicians in each GTA city and provincial downloading is holding the entire GTA back. We'd be better off if we formed our own province.

Part of the reason the burbs have higher taxes was their own poor management. Charging too low developer fees, building a fuked up road structure that is a cancer on public transit, etc... has left them in a big shit. If there is infrastructure problems then it's their own fault for not estimating the actual costs correctly. Toronto will get their own as well. 100 year old clay sewer pipes aren't going to last forever.

Toronto generates wealth which is collected by the province and then distributed throughout government programs across the entire province. If you want to put up walls, then let every city keep their own taxes collected and let's see how fast the suburbs against Toronto opinion changes.

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#4222889 - 11/05/09 11:22 AM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: Astroboy93]
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i love how the first reaction is to raise taxes

nevermind cracking down on councillors summarily and routinely expensing $1000 dinners and $3000 trips like it was goin out of style


fuck. that. shit.

audit and control your own employees first. then, maybe, reach out your hand.

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#4222948 - 11/05/09 11:36 AM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: Alexandre]
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 Originally Posted By: Alexandre
I have a good story for you union haters ....


Vas you're right it is a good story and clearly you know people that work for the city and are sheltered by the union. But the one thing to remember whenever you or anyone else hears stories like these is what about the stories you don't hear?

As mentioned before, my wife is in a good HR position down at City Hall. If you only knew the stories that I have heard, including stories like yours of union workers milking the system and shit that goes down in the offices.

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#4223064 - 11/05/09 12:06 PM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: SuPeR-MaRiO]
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Meh...

System is being milked PERIOD. One of my wifes co-workers mis-carried 5mths in to her pregnancy. She went off work for 6 months. 6 fucking months...it's not like she was in a horrible accident and lost the baby. This is her first pregnancy and miscarrige is common...but WTF. Jesus fucking christ it's absolutely astrocious as to the shit people do in the public sector.
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#4223160 - 11/05/09 12:27 PM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: Hatorade]
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#4223309 - 11/05/09 01:10 PM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: SuPeR-MaRiO]
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#4223482 - 11/05/09 02:11 PM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: Hatorade]
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one of the many reasons why I won't live in Toronto, granted I am living at home still, but when I do start looking for a house it will be in the Oakville/Burlington area.


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#4223494 - 11/05/09 02:14 PM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: big tuner]
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Yes, because Oakville/Burlington municipal gov't employees aren't milking it. Get your shit straight.
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#4223514 - 11/05/09 02:20 PM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: Alexandre]
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LOL

They are all just as bad you idiots. If you think otherwise you are tEh rtaRd!
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#4223521 - 11/05/09 02:21 PM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: big tuner]
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 Originally Posted By: big tuner
one of the many reasons why I won't leave in Toronto, granted I am living at home still, but when I do start looking for a house it will be in the Oakville/Burlington area.



yeah man, your momz keeps telling you to take down them almost nude stevie b posters up in your room!
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#4223551 - 11/05/09 02:28 PM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: Alexandre]
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 Originally Posted By: Alexandre
Yes, because Oakville/Burlington municipal gov't employees aren't milking it. Get your shit straight.


but who said Oakville/Burlington municipal employees don't milk it????? The real question should be what municipal employees don't milk it?

Me wanting to live in Oakville or Burlington is my personal opinion and choice, nobody said you can't live in Toronto so don't get all butt hurt like you always do. Everybody has their own reasons why they like certain places to live, so are you gonna bitch now for another 3 pages about this?

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#4223628 - 11/05/09 02:41 PM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: Screamin' Type-R]
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 Originally Posted By: Screamin Civic
yeah man, your momz keeps telling you to take down them almost nude stevie b posters up in your room!


you were over at my house last night and didn't have a problem with them

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#4223631 - 11/05/09 02:42 PM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: big tuner]
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You can't live in Toronto. I said it.


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#4223645 - 11/05/09 02:44 PM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: JEFFOS]
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 Originally Posted By: JEFFOS69
You can't live in Toronto. I said it.


Jeff you sure you wanna say that? Beware of the russian bitch pouting in his little pink dress ;\)

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#4223672 - 11/05/09 02:48 PM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: big tuner]
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 Originally Posted By: Alexandre
Yes, because Oakville/Burlington municipal gov't employees aren't milking it. Get your shit straight.


but who said Oakville/Burlington municipal employees don't milk it????? The real question should be what municipal employees don't milk it?

Me wanting to live in Oakville or Burlington is my personal opinion and choice, nobody said you can't live in Toronto so don't get all butt hurt like you always do. Everybody has their own reasons why they like certain places to live, so are you gonna bitch now for another 3 pages about this?


And you are telling me I am butt hurt?

The way you responded you made sound as if Toronto is the evil of all. Don't sh!t on the mouth that feeds you. I wouldn't expect you to understand, you can't see past you palazzo clubbing and your leather vest.
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#4223717 - 11/05/09 02:57 PM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: Alexandre]
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 Originally Posted By: Alexandre


And you are telling me I am butt hurt?

The way you responded you made sound as if Toronto is the evil of all. Don't sh!t on the mouth that feeds you. I wouldn't expect you to understand, you can't see past you palazzo clubbing and your leather vest.



"one of the many reasons why I won't live in Toronto" = Toronto is evil of all???? wow you had me all figured out there...good job!

"Don't sh!t on the mouth that feeds you. I wouldn't expect you to understand, you can't see past you palazzo clubbing and your leather vest." = And you are telling me I am butt hurt? yup, I am telling you you're butt hurt.




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#4223736 - 11/05/09 03:01 PM Re: i love toronto, but FUCK THIS SHIT!!! [Re: big tuner]
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Dude, stop crying. Your level of comprehension of this situation is as good as that of a Mississauga gopher. You are an idiot at best, so please sit down STFU.

edit: Also, I am not the one that has to stoop to the level to call someone a "Russian bitch", I hope you realize that this is the only place you will get away with saying this type of shit you classless piece of sh!t.
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