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#93395 - 05/22/05 11:27 PM fast spooling turbo?
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name some. i have a T3/T04E and it spools at 4. i want something a little faster. i've seen a WRX spool around 2. wtf??
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#93396 - 05/22/05 11:38 PM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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WOW, that is way to braud of a question, In order to know or even assume spool times you would need to know what is spooling the turbo, Like is it a 4cyl, 6cyl, 1.6, 2.0? I meen a T88 would hardly move on a stock 1.6L and it would spool much quicker on a stroked 2JZ motor(TT Supra) So I think you should give a clue as to what motor would be spooling the turbo B4 we could even come close to an accurate anwser..
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#93397 - 05/23/05 12:30 AM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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opps....it's for a 4cyl.


i never thought about what u just said.

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#93398 - 05/23/05 01:08 AM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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honestly, what's wrong with a turbo that spools at 4k? anything smaller and you're likely going to have a bad "puke and die" effect up at the top of your rev range.
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#93399 - 05/23/05 02:04 AM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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nothing is wrong with a turbo that spools at 4. i'm just seeing what my options are out there.
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#93400 - 05/23/05 02:16 AM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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#93401 - 05/23/05 05:47 AM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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Grab a T25 off an auto DSM, that should spool pretty quickly.
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#93402 - 05/23/05 09:07 AM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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name some. i have a T3/T04E and it spools at 4. i want something a little faster. i've seen a WRX spool around 2. wtf??




You need to list what your mods and engine are, before we can recommend a turbo....

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#93403 - 05/24/05 07:36 AM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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get a dual ball bearing like a gt28rs, big and spools very fast
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#93404 - 05/24/05 08:00 AM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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The rule of thumb is that since B-series have roughly 8,000rpm of rev range to cover, you'll have to either sacrifice the low-end to get good top-end or the top-end to get a quicker spool and therefore better mid-range. Unless you get a ball bearing = $

How much for a GT35R, $1,500? I wouldn't mind one of those..

EDIT - I have an SC50 with a .63 a/r exhaust wheel and I spool up between 4,500-5,000 rpm, which is too laggy for me. I heard swapping to an .48 a/r doesn't affect the top-end that much and offers great mid-range. If I were to do anything at this point, that would be it..


Edited by Gab (05/24/05 08:02 AM)

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#93405 - 05/24/05 11:10 AM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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GT28rs would probably be the one I'd pick if I wanted quick spool combined with decent power. Those things are fully spooled at like 3800-4000rpms and they'll make like 320whp or so safely on pump gas.

Most t3t4s are fully spooled by 5k-5500rpms.

I've never seen a bseries Honda motor with even the smallest of turbos fully spool at 2krpms. Some might be getting started at that rpm, but it's not fully spooled.
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#93406 - 05/24/05 12:07 PM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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i have a gt28rs that spools at 4k with a shitty cast exhaust manifold. THis thing works great and blows big air. With the proper manifold i dont see a problem with it spooling fully at 3200. on a b16a2.
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#93407 - 05/24/05 12:30 PM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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Maybe I am weird, but I love the powerband my car has now..

I thought it would severly lack low end, but thats not true.

It still has some grunt down low.

Whats best is when you stay in the throttle and it starts to come alive...

Thats when the fun starts...

80mph+ it's insane....

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#93408 - 06/07/05 02:23 PM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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#93409 - 06/07/05 02:28 PM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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50 tirm with a .48 a/r




pretty much a t3/t4B.
Im at full boost by 4500-4700rpm. NON BB go GHETTOTURBONETICS.
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#93410 - 06/07/05 06:09 PM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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i have a gt28rs that spools at 4k with a shitty cast exhaust manifold. THis thing works great and blows big air. With the proper manifold i dont see a problem with it spooling fully at 3200. on a b16a2.





A cast (ie. drag, greddy, etc.) / log manifold is going to "quicken" the spooling characteristics, at a slight top end loss. If you mean an "equal length" (ie. Full-Race, Neukin, LoveFab, etc.) as being a "proper" manifold, then you're in for a surprise. It will most likely spool later, unless of course you perfectly match the pulses with the intake manifold, etc. But thats a whole other realm.

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#93411 - 06/09/05 11:27 AM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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50 tirm with a .48 a/r




pretty much a t3/t4B.
Im at full boost by 4500-4700rpm. NON BB go GHETTOTURBONETICS.



Is this with a .48 a/r?

I'm on a .63 a/r and was toying a bit on the highway last week-end and was hitting 15psi by 4,800-4,900 rpm in 5th, dunno if it's good but it's too laggy for me.

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#93412 - 06/09/05 11:30 AM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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i'm picking up a gt28rs .84 on the turbine, mebbe even a t3 backside. either way it will spool super low and should be good to around 400whp
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#93413 - 06/09/05 11:32 AM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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F sup bro..

its the same .48ar
5th gear.at full boost..you must have been going like 140mph..haha jk
yeah..Im at full boost in 3rd by 4700rpm.
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#93414 - 06/09/05 02:28 PM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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For a street car looking for some good power and an inexpensive price (when compared to BB)the T3/To4E, with a .48 a/r on the turbine, 50Trim compressor housing, is going to be your best bet!

There are plenty of options, IMO you should go with a T3 turbine so you have room to grow, dont limit yourself with a T2.

Also Its not the same as a to4b, its to4E which will flow more, and Gab i can get you a 35R for 1379$

Eric
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#93415 - 06/09/05 03:53 PM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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5th gear.at full boost..you must have been going like 140mph..haha jk



lol closer to 90-95mph hehe. Actually I stayed in the throttle a bit since I had a nice empty stretch or highway and the EGTs were climbing REAL fast, like I got going over 100mph and I was at 1450 and it kept climbing 4th gear pull to redline, I'll never see them reach 1400. Now I understand how stupid 140+mph pulls will blow your engine..

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#93416 - 06/09/05 04:43 PM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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and Gab i can get you a 35R for 1379$

Eric




Not that plugging yourself in the tech forum isn't cool or anything

But 1400 is http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1255117
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#93417 - 06/10/05 08:26 AM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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lol
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#93418 - 06/10/05 08:54 AM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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I have to stick up for my little snail.

Garrett T3/T4e .63 a/r @ 57 trim.

I paid something like $500shipped brand spankin new....1/3 the price...

Love it. Yea it may spool a tad late...but the upper rpm's are sooo freakin fast...

We know its got enough punch for 400whp no prob. Seems as if @ that boost level it starts to hit its efficiecy range.

I love that sudden rush....

mmm....boost.....

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#93419 - 06/10/05 10:38 AM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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I have to stick up for my little snail.

Garrett T3/T4e .63 a/r @ 57 trim.

I paid something like $500shipped brand spankin new....1/3 the price...

Love it. Yea it may spool a tad late...but the upper rpm's are sooo freakin fast...

We know its got enough punch for 400whp no prob. Seems as if @ that boost level it starts to hit its efficiecy range.

I love that sudden rush....

mmm....boost.....






It really (for me) is between your turbo EX, and something that will make me happier.

I'm counting the cash i've put into the car, and an extra 500dollars for a turbo that spools 1500rpm sooner seems worth it to me. kinda sorta... its also internally gated = negative wastegate and a dumptube when compared to yours.... so gt28rs = teh win as far as i'm concerned.

Phil D from spoolin performance is making 376 or something on the .63, i'm almost posotive its not a t3 either...

So the .84 seems right where i want to be. I love looking at dyno graphs that start low none of this 'graph starts at 4.5k cause the turbo starts to spool at 5k'



Anyway, the real question for me is equal length or not. I can make -380whp or 400+whp pretty much dependent on my choice of intake manifold and exhaust manifold. JG+big long tubular anything manifold is what i want, but i dont kow if waiting with turbo parts in my room until christmass is exactly what i want to do.

Turbo was gonna fab soething up, but i can't imagine it would be time-efficient of him to do such a thing.
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#93420 - 06/10/05 10:49 AM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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Anyway, the real question for me is equal length or not. I can make -380whp or 400+whp pretty much dependent on my choice of intake manifold and exhaust manifold. JG+big long tubular anything manifold is what i want, but i dont kow if waiting with turbo parts in my room until christmass is exactly what i want to do.

Turbo was gonna fab soething up, but i can't imagine it would be time-efficient of him to do such a thing.




you dont need an equal lenght mani for high hp.
friend's 00yr Teg runs 9s with inlinepro mani.
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#93421 - 06/12/05 01:52 PM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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#93422 - 06/16/05 10:34 AM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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5th gear.at full boost..you must have been going like 140mph..haha jk



lol closer to 90-95mph hehe. Actually I stayed in the throttle a bit since I had a nice empty stretch or highway and the EGTs were climbing REAL fast, like I got going over 100mph and I was at 1450 and it kept climbing 4th gear pull to redline, I'll never see them reach 1400. Now I understand how stupid 140+mph pulls will blow your engine..


Did you say 140+ pull?? Here's my 140+ pull.. 12.2 afr.. I dropped my fuel pressure a tad or it would have been 11.5's.. Enjoy..

click me
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#93423 - 06/16/05 10:49 AM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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cool to see...but not worth trying on a public hwy bro.
whats the setup?
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#93424 - 06/16/05 11:01 AM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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How much power are you putting down?
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#93425 - 06/16/05 11:04 AM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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220 whp @8psi..

Edited by bluby4si (06/16/05 11:16 AM)
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#93426 - 06/16/05 11:12 AM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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GOOD god..I guess I was expecting more. it sounded decent.
I've gone 130mph vs an m3 back in 02yr..never again.


what up F.
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#93427 - 06/16/05 11:16 AM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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I dyno/tuned it on a MD-AWD-IMP Series chassis dynamometer at Payn Technologies so I'm not sure if thats why my number are low compare to other's here.. I've heard that different dyno's will give higher and lower numbers... I guess I got the lower dyno machine or unless my car just isn't putting done the ponies...

Edited by bluby4si (06/16/05 11:17 AM)
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#93428 - 06/16/05 12:01 PM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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Different dyno's will produce different numbers on the same car.

Mustang
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Dyno Pack.

As far as the video, nice run, but you want to be careful, hard on your motor, and @ that speed, it can be deadly...

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#93429 - 06/16/05 12:02 PM Re: fast spooling turbo?
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Yeah your tach is moving slower than mine but not by that much, and I guestimate my power to be around ~260whp based on a 108mph trap speed. I originally dynoe'd 308whp but I've been running way too rich for some reason that I have yet to figure out.
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