#102322 - 07/11/05 11:30 PM
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mzlissa23
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Registered: 07/07/05
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Loc: New Haven, Ct, USA
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now if i get a hondata which would be better the s100 or s200, i jus wanted some input from those who have it and how much power it adds....thanks
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#102325 - 07/12/05 12:39 AM
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chrisgcivicsi
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Registered: 06/12/02
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Yeah the new s300 is close to coming out, i guess its kind of a combination of both the old systems but 10x better. check out the hondata website and read up on it. Its best to start with whats best now then spend the money later to upgrade to the new best thing. I have the s200 now and saw what they are bring out and right now i am not about to change, what i have going now works fine. I think the new system might be cheaper in the long run so I'd wait for find another forum of management
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#102327 - 07/12/05 10:30 AM
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Dee
Still Not Turbo
Registered: 11/09/03
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Loc: Okinawa, Japan
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S300 will be released to pre-ordered buyers on August 1. You have to pre-order through a dealer.
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#102330 - 07/12/05 04:43 PM
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shane two
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Registered: 02/20/05
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Loc: South Valley
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hondata sucks. go with a real EMS that won't throw errors for no reason other than the hardware is junk.
go with AEM EMS or Electromotive TEC III or even neptune if there is a neptune dealer near you ($700 including install & dyno tuning is a pretty sweet deal in my opinion.)
find out what your local tuners are comfortable with and then choose based on that.
hondata software is buggy as hell, their hardware is shoddy and prone to falling apart, and their customer service just outright sucks.
if you still want to go with their system all the power to you and i wish you the best of luck with your engine..
neptune will be fully user tuneable very soon. you've got it all wrong.
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#102332 - 07/13/05 08:51 AM
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SiAdam
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Registered: 07/22/01
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i didn't get anything wrong shane, i know that neptune will be available soon, its still being tested, i recommended it and would recommend it to anyone who lives in an area with a tuner right now. but for everyone else it's not feasable yet.
Agreed....I still think Hondata is one of the best ways to go, via a tuner. If you are doing it yourself, maybe crome or uberdata....
Although Neptune may be the next best thing besides sliced bread, they limit themselves that it is bought, installed and tuned by the dealer......
That's all fine and dandy, but if you don't have a dealer, then you are severaly S.O.L......until there is solution to this, via more dealers, your best bet still is Hondata....
Now that a newer version is going to be released, that means even cheaper prices for the units...
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#102334 - 07/13/05 04:16 PM
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Turbo-charged
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Registered: 07/02/02
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i completely understand why companies will only let you purchase and have your car threw one of their liscensed dealers. atleast from the get go.
imagine you just spent all your time and money for the last XX years developing something. its an awesome...problem free product. it works amazing, you have never had any problems with it, and neither has anybody who you have asked to test it for you. it makes its public release. the first 50 people who purchase it are kids who live on the internet and have never tuned a car....but since they read about it so much they think they know what they are doing. these first 50 customers (who live on the internet and message boards) all have no clue how to tune and blow up the cars. first thing they do is jump on the internet and post how much the product sucks. now your awesome product just got a bad reputation just like that. sure you might have sold 100 other units to people who loved it and it worked out perfectly...but the way this world works is that it takes 200 happy people to out weigh one unhappy person.
now that their systems are proven...it will be obvious what the problem is once it becomes tunable by the user.
AEM did a lot of R&D through their customers. one of the first versions of the honda units had a glitch in the program where at XXXmph in 4th gear it would randomly shut off the fuel pump. can you say blown motor? AEM still has a lot of hardware problems.
ive posted my views on hondata several times on here. for somebody who isnt going to tune their cars them selves, doesnt want to make a ton of power, and can deal with loosing their boost option randomly, random crank position codes, random 02 sensor codes, and customer service that NO MATTER WHAT the problem is.....they say its your fault, can deal with a blue box that sounds like the internals are going to fall out....than hondata is for you. i still use hondata daily.....but its not my favorite thing in the world.
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#102335 - 07/13/05 04:42 PM
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EleanoR
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Registered: 07/10/05
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You like the AEM EMS, eh? I prefer that too but it's hard to find a tuner around here....plus, isn't it a big more costly? Everyone and their mom knows about hondata where I live so my choices are somewhat limited.
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#102336 - 07/13/05 04:49 PM
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Turbo-charged
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No, i do not use the aem ems....i use electromotive TEC III. not only is it a T R U E stand alone engine managment system....it is also a complete ignition system as well that works 10x better than the MSD stuff. its pricey though and the install is very in depth. i use it on all of my cars.
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#102337 - 07/13/05 04:50 PM
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shane two
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Registered: 02/20/05
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Loc: South Valley
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yeah, if you want to deal with halfassed hardware, sloppily coded and rarely updated software, and buggy interface. by all means go with hondata.
i still think it's the worst investment i've made for my car.
Your comparing systems that have an entry fee of 1000 to systems that have a complete tuning package for 700 dollars. Neptune is the highest quality cheapest alternative to some of the more complex units. It also allows you to tune off of a stock map, which changes the requirements for a person to tune.
Hondata is no good, we all agree on that. But just because hondata sucks doesn't mean we all need a haltech to run 10lb and make 300whp safely and reliably.
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#102338 - 07/13/05 09:01 PM
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cliff st-clair
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I've been running Hondata for 2 years now. Can't say I have any complaints. Though my tuner who also does Neptune thinks less and less of Hondata because they haven't upgraded shit since forever. But s300 is coming out. Should be good.
I still think the S200 is a pretty good engine management system. With Neptune there is now a cheaper option available that is also more powerful, but good luck finding people who carry it or tune it.
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#102339 - 07/13/05 10:42 PM
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EleanoR
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Registered: 07/10/05
Posts: 97
Loc: Around
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to use neptune - 100
to tune on dyno - 500
That's a pretty good deal.
And one of the tuners is on the other side of my state.
My question is, if I get a fully built engine and throw it in my car, how in the hell can I drive it 300 miles without any engine tuning? The only thing I can think of is tow it...and that would kill the price difference.
Not to mention, I'd have to do it twice...once to tune and another to tune after my engine break in.
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#102340 - 07/13/05 11:21 PM
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SamuraiSam
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Registered: 07/29/02
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Loc: Bellingham, WA
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get an early AM dyno tuning session.... do part throttle and part rev range in the AM... go out and drive the car 50 miles under those conditions WITH A WIDEBAND O2 SENSOR and go back and tune for 100%...
many experianced engine builders and tuners break-in the car on the dyno in the first ten "miles" on the motor... with no problems 
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#102341 - 07/21/05 02:17 PM
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Dee
Still Not Turbo
Registered: 11/09/03
Posts: 210
Loc: Okinawa, Japan
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My advice is to get whatever fits your needs: budget, performance needs, tuner availability.
RESEARCH is your best friend because you will on get loads of shit from the bandwagon riders on CSi and H-T! Go to the AEM, Hondata, Electromotive, Neptune homepages and message boards. Read, filter BS, read, filter BS, ask questions, filter more BS answers, try to find somebody who will give you some thorough peeks at the editing/datalogging software and then make your decision. I am not sure about the other ECU's but I do know you can download demo versions of the software.
I decided to stick with Hondata because I have been using it since 1999 and I have only encountered a few quirks. I was thinking about switching to Autronic, which is better than Haltec, AEM and Neptune, but S300 with it's real time proogramming (RTP) and other uprades will more than meet my needs. I just pre-ordered my Hondata S300 from Ben @ importparts for $499 shipped. The normal price is $595 and the lower price will only be available from Authorized dealers during the initial rollout of the S300.
Neptune turned me off with it's original setup that only allowed a handful of people to tune the ECU and the massive shit talking that is spewed by the Neptune cheerleader squad didn't help much either.
Even though Hondata gave it's S200 users a huge shaft when they killed the resell value of their products by submarining some of the option prices from $200 to $50 and allowed a complete schmuck to answer questions on the message board I am still happy with the overall product. Doug helped me out a quite a few times in the early years so I hope Hondata will revert back to giving topnotch customer service.
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#102344 - 07/21/05 08:19 PM
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AMS
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Registered: 11/27/04
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Loc: MA
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FWIW Crome is developing into one of the better Honda ROM editors out there. Not only does it have many features offered by the big boys such as datalogging, map trace and auto tune it also has support for 20x20 and even higher resolution maps.
Hondata is by no means 'bad' but they are definately losing market share to the others. I thinkl the S300 will get some of that back since it uses the K-Pro interface which is very clean.
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#102348 - 07/23/05 01:26 AM
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AMS
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Registered: 11/27/04
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Loc: MA
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Exactly. The P05/P06/P28/P30/P61/P75/PR4/P72 family all runs the same code. Open a JDM P30 ROM, import P28 maps there ya go. FWIW you can open and edit a P28 .bin file, you just can't apply Boost Tools, ITB tools, or any of the other fun stuff to it, but this is easily remidied.
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#102349 - 07/30/05 06:17 PM
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2000SICoupe
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Registered: 12/06/02
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Loc: Florida
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Hondata's S300 is looking great. As is Neptune. Cant wait to see more from both.
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#102350 - 07/30/05 09:46 PM
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AMS
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Registered: 11/27/04
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Loc: MA
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Crome 1.1.8r has IAT and ECT correction!
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hondatas new offering and neptune offer WAY more corrections and cells to more accurately provide timing a fuel marks to the motor. They also made it easier to use. And cheaper too. Now to lots of you that doens't sound like much, but to the guy tuning your car, and to your wideband, it really does.
