#52525 - 08/09/04 11:39 AM
Re: Korbachs 6 Page Article in Honda Tuning
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ihopcvcc
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I picked up a copy @ my grocery store today, I was just about to make a post about it. Nice writeup.
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#52527 - 08/11/04 09:43 PM
Re: Korbachs 6 Page Article in Honda Tuning
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SamuraiSam
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Brace Yourself
Körbach Performance has a whole new take on improving handling for the sixth-gen. Civic that utilizes an existing, untapped piece of the econo-box's body. Bob Hernandez tests the company's frame locks and finds a product deserving of the hype.
As a group, sport compact enthusiasts tend to spend a lot of money trying to achieve perfect handling in their rides. It's common to find vehicles sporting every kind of aftermarket juice availible - springs, shocks, tie bars, anti-roll bars, polyurethane bushings - just to smooth out its behavior while maneuvering.
Many times, though, even the best of suspension and handling parts need plenty of adjustment or to be exposed to extremes, or both, to show any real benefit. And rarely do any of these parts show improvement under normal types of driving.
Luckily most Hondas handle pretty well right off the lot, or at least well enough to satisfy the average consumer. If you're reading this magazine, chances are you you're not interested in stock. You've probably whipped your buggy around a few turns in your day and are still looking for that one bolt on that will give you total confidence through any curve.
Enter Körbach Performance, makers of Frame Locks for sixth-gen. ('96-'00) Civic coupes and sedans, a unique product that turns the car's front bumper beam from a vibrational liability into a structural asset. The science behind the product is straightforward: the geometry of the bumper beam/frame rail joint is weak because the attachment to the beam is made with thin, 2.5mm flanges that flare out laterally form the front of each rail. The vibrating forces exerted on the front structure as the car drives over road surface imperfections are significant, as are the forces of the 500-pound engine bouncing on the mounts that are directly attached to the rails. Since these imputs are transmitted through the weak flanges, the car responds by shaking as it's driven.
The bumper beam, meanwhile, is essentially a piece of dead weight shaking at the extreme end point of the car. The fact that it's cantilevered so far forward actually multiplies the vibrational forces back to the driver.
A static analogy to this would be the force multiplication of using a crowbar. A small force at the end of the long part of the crowbar results in a large force at the short end. The same is true dynamically with the front end of the car. There's a dynamic fulcrum point known as a vibrational node just forward of the driver. Shaking forces from the bumper are transmitted and amplified to the cabin.
Since the frame rails aren't effectively tied together at the bumper, it's an inefficient structure and therefore responds to road bumps and engine torque. Frame Locks use the bumper beam as part of the front-end chassis, employing brackets to tie the bumper beam and beam extensions to the frame rails and essentially making the bumper beam a load-bearing part of the chassis. The engineers at Körbach believe the Frame Locks stiffen and solidify the front end of the carand minimize the frame's lateral flex.
Sounds like a whole bunch of black magic, but when the guys at Körbach asked if we wanted to try out their product we figured there was no better way to get the truth. We lined up MD Automotive in Westminister, Calif., to do the work and recieved donor cars from former Club Si moderator Jimmy Dinh and our own production coordinator Bill Klein. The install took a little over an hour.
[installation pictoral/walkthrough]
With the Frame Locks dialed in we tested the cars on city streets. Well, the difference was like night and day. In fact, rarely do we encounter an aftermarket handling product that delivers what it claims so immediately. The Frame Locks affected the cars right off the bat, regardless of speed or road setting. The Civics felt abundantly more solid over all conditions. On round-about freeway on-ramps, the vehicles were undaunted by lateral acceleration, and mid-corner braking and throttle lift off did little to unplant them either. Even over bumpy roads and train tracks, the cars handled better. The newfound solidity translated to a much smoother ride and improved steering feel. The owners of our test Civics were equally pleased.
In fact, we asked Dinh for his impressions and he gushed, "I took [the Civic] out on a familiar mountain road where I know all the twists, bumps, and potholes by heart. I couldn't believe the improvement; it was like a different car! Every turn was smooth and solid. The bumpy parts definetly felt less bumpy too. I took a high-speed turn and felt no frame twisting whatsoever. Some of the dips in the road were severe, but with the frame locks installed, the car felt great."
Currently Körbach only makes the Frame Locks for the '96-to-'00 Civic, but the company plants to develop and introduce similar offerings for other Honda models. Expect to pay around $245 for the Frame Locks, although if you act quickly the company is selling them for $195 through October.
CONNECT
Körbach Performance
www.körbachperformace.com
MD Automotive
714/891-1113
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#52528 - 08/11/04 11:21 PM
Re: Korbachs 6 Page Article in Honda Tuning
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Solid_Ride
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Registered: 07/16/04
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The cover of Honda Tuning magazine reads
"'96 - 00' Best Performance Upgrade you don't know about"
David
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#52529 - 08/15/04 12:12 PM
Re: Korbachs 6 Page Article in Honda Tuning
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Raocorp
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so what do all the skeptics on Honda-Tech have to say about the product now? As I read a thread about it before, and if I remember correctly 95% of it was bashing.
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#52530 - 08/15/04 01:17 PM
Re: Korbachs 6 Page Article in Honda Tuning
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CivicRacerExR
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I'm surprised that the article did not have any numbers, very unlike Honda Tuning.
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#52532 - 08/18/04 01:46 AM
Re: Korbachs 6 Page Article in Honda Tuning
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Solid_Ride
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so what do all the skeptics on Honda-Tech have to say about the product now? As I read a thread about it before, and if I remember correctly 95% of it was bashing.
Frankly, they aren't saying much. I have my theories.
Well in all fairness to the Honda-Tech people. Some are very very knowledgeable about cars and I admit I did learn some things and they did make me think. A couple of them really came to our defense and supported it with reasonable intelligence. I respect that. On the bashing. I think to some degree it may be a little deserved from the stand point that many have been burned by products based on lies such as induction kits giving 10 HP and Slick 50. Although I thought that some of the tone was certainly unprofessional and a little hostile and very quick to conclude our product was a hoax. It's funny to read the progression of the postings because it got real nasty in the beginning, then Brokenlimits & others backed us up, then some people posted technical explanations supporting the plausibility of our product. Then after that, the negativity kind of went quiet.
But we have to admit that it does seem like a reach to state that a little part could significantly improve BOTH the ride and handling. So I understand the skeptism.
I want to take this opportunity to especially thank:
> 80_sBoy for being my first guinea pig!
> 99foxsi for his connections to Honda Tuning magazine!!!
> Hermanator for giving me a lot of help and allowing us to do air bag sensor testing on his car. Everything turned out great. How long did we drive around looking for that perfect pot hole? Seemed like forever.
>Seanjohn1802 for all his support despite abuse from others
> Jimmmmmah for going the extra mile to help us. Just because he thought we had a cool product. Especially at the NMS event. Now he's immortalized with his photo in Honda Tuning magazine.
This product really did come out of Clubsi. It's amazing how friendly and helpful people are at this forum. This is a great club.
Now let's see where this will all go......
David Lawson
Korbach Performance
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#52534 - 08/18/04 09:38 PM
Re: Korbachs 6 Page Article in Honda Tuning
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Raocorp
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well, if/when you release a version for the BB6, I'd give it a try. 
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#52535 - 09/08/04 11:56 PM
Re: Korbachs 6 Page Article in Honda Tuning
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JoeB16
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"Expect to pay around $245 for the Frame Locks, although if you act quickly the company is selling them for $195 through October."
are you fucking JOKING?!
250 bucks for something that costs 5 bucks after parts and labor and included to total cost?!
You cant be serious.
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#52539 - 09/20/04 02:17 PM
Re: Korbachs 6 Page Article in Honda Tuning
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derspi
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OK...nm, it just came back online.
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#52541 - 09/22/04 12:19 AM
Re: Korbachs 6 Page Article in Honda Tuning
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Solid_Ride
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"Expect to pay around $245 for the Frame Locks, although if you act quickly the company is selling them for $195 through October."
are you fucking JOKING?!
250 bucks for something that costs 5 bucks after parts and labor and included to total cost?!
You cant be serious.
At a glance, they seem easy to make. But I caution you not to make it too stiff for crash worthiness purposes. There are a number of things to consider. You will notice in out design that there are triangular holes and a cut out. These are here specifically for crash. It must buckle in a frontal impact and other considerations I can not state here now. It is partly proprietery. Our goal in the design was to increase front lateral stiffness without significantly affecting the fore/aft. Another thing is to make them right, you need 4 independent brackets joined together (2 brackets on the left side and 2 brackets on the right side) Plus 4 stick nuts to reach nuts where you can not place them. Each bracket is a complicated shape requiring several pieces fabbed together then welded to the car. Take a look a close look at the photos on our web site. To make quick and dirty versions will totally compromise the effectiveness. Someone already tried and said it didn't make much improvement...and that is why.
You could hire welder to do this, but professionals charge $ 80/hr. It will take him at least 2-4 hours to do it right and it still may not work. Think about the process involved. Measure to tailor fit the braces, make cardboard templates, cut the several pieces of flat metal per the templates to make 4 brackets. Weld them together and then weld to car. Think about all the home projects you've ever done. It always takes longer than you think. In theory you can state easy to make on this forum, but in reality. It’s not that easy.
The other reason for the price is although these seem like simple small parts …. a lot of research and development went into them. Our Frame Locks are laser cut blanks, formed, welded, grinded and powder coated. Also the installation manual makes it easy to install. 3 Drill bits, packaging, stick nuts, labor, management, advertising cost money as well as just running the business cost money. You'd be shocked to find out that most after market products only cost $ .25 to the dollar to make. That is the honest truth. Look at sway bars. What do you think that cost to produce or springs once you have the equipment.
David Lawson
Korbach Performance
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#9158607 - 10/13/17 08:20 PM
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#9179168 - 11/05/17 01:17 PM
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